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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: TC@HP2] #1501752
09/15/13 10:31 PM
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Mine 60ft with Caltrac's and a MF front end has been a 1.48 already...And the front end moves very little which surprised me on the launches being that good.

One thing I will mention though, my SS springs were soo lop sided, I had the front of the car all screwed up to compensate. Never again will I go back to those lousy things.One was nearly flatened out.

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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: TC@HP2] #1501753
09/15/13 10:35 PM
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....unclamp the rear segment, and see where that leaves you before moving to the front motion. Maybe have a buddy video tap your launch and post it up here.




are you saying cut the factory clamps off?

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Dragula] #1501754
09/15/13 10:44 PM
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I went 9.80's on superstock springs with mid1.3 60 foots and the car hook anywhere, and would go on the bumper if I wanted it to.
I agree with previous poster the front end is a big factor as well.
I have read more threads on here over the years about how to get a car to work with cal tracks than anything else.
The s/s springs were well engineered from Mopar, they work.
Current owner of my car runs 9.60's at 140 with it now, still 28 by 10 tire.
They will certainly work on an 11 sec car.


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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: TC@HP2] #1501755
09/15/13 10:46 PM
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As said before, go thru the front suspension and make sure it works correctly and has at least 4-5" of travel. Make sure it is LOOSE!
If your rear shocks currently are not long enough, that may be part of your problem as well. When I was using SS springs I had the longest CE adjustable drag shock I could get. My best 60 with ss springs was a 1.412 running 10.60's.

Now for caltracs, I had all kinds of troubles when I switched to them with the monoleaf springs. I was running strange double adjustable rear shocks without the coil over springs. When I called calvert for help, they told me those shocks were too short. I ordered their shocks to finish off a complete calvert recommended parts list and their shocks were only a 1/4" longer. Still had the same problem unloading the tires. Called John Calvert himself and once I told him what it was doing (I had told his tech assist guys the same thing 2 times prior) he immediately asked how much front end travel I had. That was the problem the whole time. I had about 3 3/8" travel. Once I corrected the front end travel and now have a shade over 5" it has been fine. Still a little finicky on greasy tracks, but what isn't. Current best 60 is 1.349 running 9.899. They all have inherent problems and advantages. It is up to you to figure out what you can live with. HTH Beep

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Bigbeep] #1501756
09/15/13 11:11 PM
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Interesting, what is done to loosen the front end?

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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Bigbeep] #1501757
09/15/13 11:14 PM
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Put superstock springs on it. I went 9.60s and 1.36 60 on them before I switched to caltracs. Use the extra long mp 50/50 raer shocks. Caltracs are great but for your speeds not needed imo.


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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Bigbeep] #1501758
09/15/13 11:17 PM
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sorry for the dumb question, but i have started building my 73 duster and want to make sure it has the 4-5 inches of lift that you guys are talking about. So how do you check for it and what do you do to the front-end if you don't have the recommended travel. I will be using the mopar 002/003 super stock springs for now. don't have the money for cal tracts or ladder bars right now.these same super stock springs in my big block dart has been a best of 1.48 running 10.49 at 125 in the 1/4. thanks mopar65


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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Copper Dart] #1501759
09/15/13 11:24 PM
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I made a set of chrome moly upper control arms with rod ends instead of bushings and a low friction upper ball joints. I also made a set of dynamic strut rods for the lower control arm with a rod end as well. While I was doing these mods I installed a set of wildwood disc brakes and removed the 73-up factory discs. All these mods made for a 41 pound saving on the nose of the car. With QA1 single adjustable front shocks set on 3 clicks from full loose, it would almost drag the rear license plate in good air. Scared the poo out of me. Thankfully it went straight. In good air now it has 5 clicks in it! Beep

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: mopar65] #1501760
09/15/13 11:41 PM
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sorry for the dumb question, but i have started building my 73 duster and want to make sure it has the 4-5 inches of lift that you guys are talking about. So how do you check for it and what do you do to the front-end if you don't have the recommended travel. I will be using the mopar 002/003 super stock springs for now. don't have the money for cal tracts or ladder bars right now.these same super stock springs in my big block dart has been a best of 1.48 running 10.49 at 125 in the 1/4. thanks mopar65




Make sure the car is on level ground.
Measure from the wheel lip on the fender directly over the spindle to the ground. Jack the car up slowly watching the bottom of the front tire. Just as the tire appears to be coming off the ground (try to rotate it so you can tell when it comes off the ground), measure to the same point on the fender lip to the ground. Do the math from the 2 measurements and that is your travel. Beep

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Bigbeep] #1501761
09/16/13 12:38 AM
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sorry for the dumb question, but i have started building my 73 duster and want to make sure it has the 4-5 inches of lift that you guys are talking about. So how do you check for it and what do you do to the front-end if you don't have the recommended travel. I will be using the mopar 002/003 super stock springs for now. don't have the money for cal tracts or ladder bars right now.these same super stock springs in my big block dart has been a best of 1.48 running 10.49 at 125 in the 1/4. thanks mopar65




Make sure the car is on level ground.
Measure from the wheel lip on the fender directly over the spindle to the ground. Jack the car up slowly watching the bottom of the front tire. Just as the tire appears to be coming off the ground (try to rotate it so you can tell when it comes off the ground), measure to the same point on the fender lip to the ground. Do the math from the 2 measurements and that is your travel. Beep




cool thanks for the info. not as hard as i thought it was.lol Mopar65


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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Bigbeep] #1501762
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sorry for the dumb question, but i have started building my 73 duster and want to make sure it has the 4-5 inches of lift that you guys are talking about. So how do you check for it and what do you do to the front-end if you don't have the recommended travel. I will be using the mopar 002/003 super stock springs for now. don't have the money for cal tracts or ladder bars right now.these same super stock springs in my big block dart has been a best of 1.48 running 10.49 at 125 in the 1/4. thanks mopar65




Make sure the car is on level ground.
Measure from the wheel lip on the fender directly over the spindle to the ground. Jack the car up slowly watching the bottom of the front tire. Just as the tire appears to be coming off the ground (try to rotate it so you can tell when it comes off the ground), measure to the same point on the fender lip to the ground. Do the math from the 2 measurements and that is your travel. Beep




This is how I measured mine...One thing you will find as well is the bumpstop for the upper control arm can also limit front end travel a whole bunch. I ended up cutting mine down big time, and that alone got me 1" of more front end travel.

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: mshred] #1501763
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sorry for the dumb question, but i have started building my 73 duster and want to make sure it has the 4-5 inches of lift that you guys are talking about. So how do you check for it and what do you do to the front-end if you don't have the recommended travel. I will be using the mopar 002/003 super stock springs for now. don't have the money for cal tracts or ladder bars right now.these same super stock springs in my big block dart has been a best of 1.48 running 10.49 at 125 in the 1/4. thanks mopar65




Make sure the car is on level ground.
Measure from the wheel lip on the fender directly over the spindle to the ground. Jack the car up slowly watching the bottom of the front tire. Just as the tire appears to be coming off the ground (try to rotate it so you can tell when it comes off the ground), measure to the same point on the fender lip to the ground. Do the math from the 2 measurements and that is your travel. Beep




This is how I measured mine...One thing you will find as well is the bumpstop for the upper control arm can also limit front end travel a whole bunch. I ended up cutting mine down big time, and that alone got me 1" of more front end travel.




cool thanks for the tip. Mopar65


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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1501764
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....unclamp the rear segment, and see where that leaves you before moving to the front motion. Maybe have a buddy video tap your launch and post it up here.




are you saying cut the factory clamps off?




Yes, start with the rear most one.

There are other good recommendations in here too regarding front end set up as well.

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: 1967dartgt] #1501765
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Put superstock springs on it. I went 9.60s and 1.36 60 on them before I switched to caltracs. Use the extra long mp 50/50 raer shocks. Caltracs are great but for your speeds not needed imo.




yeah, but I'm worried about the 100-150 shot I'll be appling late this year or early next.

Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: TC@HP2] #1501766
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....unclamp the rear segment, and see where that leaves you before moving to the front motion. Maybe have a buddy video tap your launch and post it up here.




are you saying cut the factory clamps off?




Yes, start with the rear most one.

There are other good recommendations in here too regarding front end set up as well.




lauch pic, not sure you can tell anything form it. This is before front and rear drag shocks were installed.

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Re: Cal-Tracs [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1501767
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Put superstock springs on it. I went 9.60s and 1.36 60 on them before I switched to caltracs. Use the extra long mp 50/50 raer shocks. Caltracs are great but for your speeds not needed imo.




yeah, but I'm worried about the 100-150 shot I'll be appling late this year or early next.




9.60s was a 175 shot car went 10.70s on pump puke. I still think it is over kill for your car. Money saved could be spent on better front shocks, tube control arms etc.jmo

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