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How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP #1500559
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Hi!

I have this new Milodon oil pump but it has no instruction sheets. I bought it as a package deal with some other race parts.

Its old, its been on a shelf for quite a bit but it is new.

I know C and D are the inlets that go to the oil pickup.

What about A and B? I know those are for the oil filter but which one is the send and which the return?

Also what is E for???

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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: domingo] #1500560
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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: domingo] #1500561
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Didn't dig into these, but might have what you need...
MIlodon Instruction Manuals


B Dartman's 71 Dart Swinger in Mopar Muscle (Sold Dec 2021): https://www.hotrod.com/articles/1971-dodge-dart-destiny-determination/
B Dartman's 71 Dart Swinger in Dodge Garage (Sold Dec 2021): https://www.dodgegarage.com/news/article/showcase/2019/04/destiny-determination.html
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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: domingo] #1500562
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A would be out to the filter. B is the inlet back to the main galley. That small extra was added. It is in common with the main galley, so it could be a feed to something external(turbo/ supercharger, oil accumulator, or as some guys would do, plumb it to the oil feed taps on the rear of the block)
Or it could be an access to bleed the miserable thing everytime it looses its prime


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A would be out to the filter. B is the inlet back to the main galley. That small extra was added. It is in common with the main galley, so it could be a feed to something external(turbo/ supercharger, oil accumulator, or as some guys would do, plumb it to the oil feed taps on the rear of the block)
Or it could be an access to bleed the miserable thing everytime it looses its prime


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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: Cab_Burge] #1500564
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That cover is for a remote oil filter.

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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: domingo] #1500565
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Do not torque that pump to factory specs. It will bind the gears and shear the shaft. Use no more than 12 inch pounds of torque when you install the pump. I know that isn't a lot but it works and the pump will not leak. Don't ask how I know this.

Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: Dabee] #1500566
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thanks for the replies!!!

Thanks for the tip on how to torque it too!!!

Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: domingo] #1500567
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That's what I run. You now have the info you need, good luck.


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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: BloFish] #1500568
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Oil Pump,Plug on bottom for accumulator

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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: Mulehead] #1500569
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Hey guys....

I dissambled my pump to check out its condition (its new, but seems it has been bouncing around on a shop, and used for mockups, etc but never actually run) and this is what I found on the inside.

Seems it has been dissassembled and inside a bucket and tossed aroud and the pump rotor is nicked....and also the pump plate cover has a nick.

Would you guys say this makes it unuseable or would it still be good?

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Also, I see there is a DOT and an arrow there....does it make a difference how is this assembled or you just drop it into place??? Why the marks???

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Re: How to install this external Milodon Oil Pump??? HELP [Re: domingo] #1500581
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You can get the new gerotor set. That is not a new pump. Even I wouldn't run that with that gear set in there... and I've been known to run some real scrap at times.


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You can get the new gerotor set. That is not a new pump. Even I wouldn't run that with that gear set in there... and I've been known to run some real scrap at times.




So i can buy thenew rotos from milodon and keep the pump body? Does that nick on the plate look like it can cause some trouble or it shouldnt really matter?

Im asking because I have lots of parts like this, that I got as part of a package deal when I bought a car, and Im trying to put a motor together with all of that: stage V fully ported heads, tunnel am with dual 750 carbs, new aluminum rods, new venolia pistons, milodon gear drive, milodon oil pump, stock stroke crank 440 engine, COMP ROLLER cam, etc.

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On the cover I'd run a fine flat file across the surface to take off any burr - but that "dent" is not anywhere that will cause pressure loss.

Likewise with the rotor and stator, I'd clean it up and make sure they don't bind but otherwise I'd run those parts with no fears.

Clean up the ding in the pump body also. The pump body is just a housing for the stator to rotate in, it could be full of dings but as long as the stator has the proper clearance and rotates freely it won't affect performance of the pump.

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Let me start by saying, I've had my share of milodon pump issues. If you want a pump that is trouble free, what you need to do is get a new gear set, and have the cover resurfaced and re-coated. I see rotational marks in the cover. That is how I can say this is not a new pump. Those minor scratches combined with the rounded edges of the gear set will have you losing the pump prime.
If you don't do these things, Than I would suggest teflon coated main and rod bearings. That way, on cold start the motor can run for a few minutes without oil pressure while you are waiting for the pump to come back to life.


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I would think the cover is fine as long as that very small nick doesnt have any burrs????

And yes, for peace of mind I will get a new rotor and stator----I dont they they will be expensive and it would be the way to go if I plan on running this thing on a rebuilt engine....

the pump feels tight and there is no play between the moving parts...

Still I dont think it's junk and should be tossed away!!!

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