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Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 06:14 AM
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what is that like 4 races  """"The Westcott family, and especially Charlie Jr., have been the dominant players in the SS/AH class for almost two decades and he just about owns the annual Indy Hemi Challenge. Although he didn’t win this year, he had a “For Sale” sign on his Cuda and he told a DRO reporter that he was trying to put together a program to go NHRA Pro Stock racing on a budget. He has already started working on a 500-inch Ford Hemi Pro Stock engine and is working hard to get the rest of the components for a Pro Stock effort. [09/03/13]"""""""
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 07:08 AM
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P/S won't be a whole lot pricier than a top tier AH car. Charlie's budget is probably a lot bigger than most peoples. Interesting that he is going Ford. I bet that stuff can be bought a lot cheaper than Mopar since Ford pulled the plug. 
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 10:31 AM
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The valve spring budget is more than they spend on thier AH cars all year. Cagnassi says the per race budget for a top tier team is 100,000. They pay 40,000 w/ stickers. This is why it is dying out. W/O sponsors it can't be done.
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
[Re: theraif]
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09/04/13 10:33 AM
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Dont ever count out Charlie Wescott for anything! The guy out works just about everyone. He may not have the budget of the others, but he will get the most out of anything he touches. I hope he does move forward and try it. He and his Dad have experience in Comp, so it wont be a giant surprise to him I dont think, and I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a few associate sponsorships at least. I hope he goes for it. He would also add a little old school excitement to the current blend of drivers. 
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 01:28 PM
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I wonder if he will paint a Bowtie on the roof of his Ford like he did on the Cuda?
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 01:33 PM
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He'll probably put a Saub emblem or something on it.... ...you know the story behind that right?
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 01:44 PM
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How about a Toyota emblem! ...but upside down, of course.
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 01:58 PM
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If you change the color of the valve covers..it becomes a Mopar99 Hemi....
Tony
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
[Re: sixpackbee]
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09/04/13 06:40 PM
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Quote:
The valve spring budget is more than they spend on thier AH cars all year. Cagnassi says the per race budget for a top tier team is 100,000. They pay 40,000 w/ stickers. This is why it is dying out. W/O sponsors it can't be done.
That's because of Gag-nassi's ego and payroll. Hired help everywhere from the driver to the crew chief, plane tickets/car rentals all around and how many hospitality trailers???
Morgan has said repeatedly that he gets no help from Ford other than they "make the blocks and heads and let us copy the body panels." So I can't imagine Ford's pulling out of the Pro (really just F/C) classes has anything to do with it.
I for one, would LOVE to see a "budget" P/S car get out there and qualify out of a toter home and stacker trailer! I'd be his/her biggest fan..regardless of who it is!
I'd bet you could buy a P/S chassis barely used for the same as a pre-owned AH roller. Are the motor parts REALLY more expensive...especially when you're as capable at building stuff like the Wescott's are?? The dyno costs are the same no matter what air pump is on it, right?? Trans costs are probably the same. Clutches will be more expensive. You can't tell me that the valve springs costs are more in P/S car. Both engines see 10K RRM and most are all using PAC springs already...
Part for part, hour for hour on the dyno, test run to test run are equal cost I'd bet.
Now, if you want to chase the top 10 countdown and run all 23 NHRA races, that's a WHOLE nother conversation...
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 10:06 PM
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I have heard those numbers form others. PS cars eat valve springs. They are over 1" lift and spin over 11,000 rpm. The cam profiles are extremely violent. You have to have a crew. Two guys can't make a 45 minute turn around. Track testing will consume an easy 100,000 a year. Costs about a grand a run. Morgan recently said his whole budget is about what Anderson/Line spend on valve springs. I've known people that have gone from Comp to PS. On paper it did not seem that far apart but the reality was a different smoke.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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09/04/13 11:30 PM
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I have no idea if it'll happen or how it will turn out. I do know if he tries it I'll be rooting for them. 
Doug
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Re: Westcott family Pro Stock racing on a budget?
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pro stock on a budget in a ford sounds funny to me
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