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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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09/02/13 11:12 PM
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One thing that stops me from getting a modern pony car is the fact that I would be driving it daily. There comes a time when you forget about what you're driving as you're doing 65 and a dirty construction truck ends up in front of you and you just want to get out from behind him and his crap peppering you.  You end up bored behind the wheel and the car you bought to "treat" yourself on the weekends becomes another appliance. A friend of mine drove his blown, nitrous fed 98 Viper GTS so much he got bored with it (and sold it).
So I keep my old Mopar, play with it as much as possible. Realize that it will never perform as well as a new car (which only get better year after year) but the smiles it consistently puts on my face when I choose to drive it makes it all worth it.
A fairly good point I might add. I was actually thinking about doing this. Trading in my 2011 Scion tC for a 2013 Challenger R/T but I wasn't sure if I wanted to deal with the payments and the loss of gas mileage. How much more fun could you have in a Challenger when your stuck in traffic 90% of your commute? It would be just as much as an appliance as my tC. I've also debated selling my tC and getting a nicely done up older car as a Daily Driver. I'm sure that would ruffle some feathers with the family.  
That the other big plus with the Mustang, fuel milage, out here on the flat prairies I can drive 70mph and not drop below 30mpg on regular. It's better on fuel than my 09 Ford Ranger 2wd 4 banger reg cab.
I tried to compare the two, but my tC gets estimated 23 mpg city and 31 mpg highway. Right now I average approximately 25-26 mpg mixed driving. If I go to the Mustang, which I thought about, I believe they get 19 mpg city and 29 mpg highway. I'd figure I'd get about 22 mpg out of it. By looking at the dealerships' websites, I've seen R/T Challengers at just about the same price as V6 Mustangs after rebates and incentives.
This is one I was debatiang on looking at for a brief moment:
http://www.mcpeeksdodgeanaheim.com/new/D...cd282a9a176.htm
Well you can't go to wrong with the Challenger at that Price!
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: PHJ426]
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09/03/13 01:54 AM
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They are giving that car away well almost. How come you havent bought that Challenger yet?
My car is only worth about $13,500 on a trade in. It's got a lot of scratches, scrapes, and rock chips. Even on the interior (Scions have poor quality control). So that means I still owe about $12,000 on that Challenger. A 3 year loan at 0% APR would put me at a payment about $340/month which is about 60% of my monthly pay check depending on how much I work. Plus I'll be paying more for gas and stuff. I also thought about trying to put some more cash down but having a 3 year loan on like $5-7k seems odd to me even though the payment would be $150-210/month. I've got the money to pay it all in cash. Idk, it doesn't completely make sense to me to trade in my somewhat fuel efficient daily driver for a fun car that's still going to be stuck in traffic. Granted, I've never sat in a Challenger and don't know how comfy it is or can be. The Scion can get uncomfortable at times. Plus the Challenger is a bigger car. Although I would then own all mopars... So many factors... 
I don't mean to steal the thread from the OP. Mustangs and old cars onwards! I'll just make a thread in the general section.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MrAngry]
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09/03/13 07:09 AM
09/03/13 07:09 AM
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The Mustang is by far the best way to go. I hit the track at least twice per month, I'm an instructor with NASA and an automotive journalist which means I get to drive just about everything under the sun. Bang for the buck the Mustang cannot be beat. I purchased a new 2013 base model GT last year with the track pack and the Recaro's. It's been bullet proof and has the capacity in stock form to compete with much higher dollar cars.
Now... if you want to step your game up even more, look at a Camaro SS with the 1LE package. That will out handle the Mustang as it has better suspension and much wider meat all around. However it will run about 5-6k more. 
Truth. Decide if you want to spend time and money fixing up an older car, or just running out and buying something that will be fun, easy to drive, and incredibly capable without having to touch it. That's really your choice and we can't decide it for you. Older cars are cooler, but they're also more work and a labor of love.
The Mustang really is the best bang for the buck, they did a fantastic job with the 2011-up 5.0 cars. Nice interiors, okay styling, and an excellent suspension/powertrain. As. Mr. Angry mentioned they give up a little to the Camaro as the Camaro has an IRS, better brakes and more tire, but the rest of the car isn't as nice to live with on a daily basis as the Mustang. Visibility is terrible, and the styling is not my cup of tea.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/03/13 06:20 PM
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The bottom line is the Challenger is a 4100 lb tank and has been a hit by its looks alone. I applaud Chrysler for building the thing to begin with. I dont own one for the reasons above but im still not going over to the Blue Oval either. If I wanted something new to cruise and track day i'd just find a used Viper.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: Blusmbl]
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09/03/13 10:44 PM
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The Mustang is by far the best way to go. I hit the track at least twice per month, I'm an instructor with NASA and an automotive journalist which means I get to drive just about everything under the sun. Bang for the buck the Mustang cannot be beat. I purchased a new 2013 base model GT last year with the track pack and the Recaro's. It's been bullet proof and has the capacity in stock form to compete with much higher dollar cars.
Now... if you want to step your game up even more, look at a Camaro SS with the 1LE package. That will out handle the Mustang as it has better suspension and much wider meat all around. However it will run about 5-6k more.
Truth. Decide if you want to spend time and money fixing up an older car, or just running out and buying something that will be fun, easy to drive, and incredibly capable without having to touch it. That's really your choice and we can't decide it for you. Older cars are cooler, but they're also more work and a labor of love.
The Mustang really is the best bang for the buck, they did a fantastic job with the 2011-up 5.0 cars. Nice interiors, okay styling, and an excellent suspension/powertrain. As. Mr. Angry mentioned they give up a little to the Camaro as the Camaro has an IRS, better brakes and more tire, but the rest of the car isn't as nice to live with on a daily basis as the Mustang. Visibility is terrible, and the styling is not my cup of tea.
I don't like the looks of the camaro -AT ALL. i think its just plain ugly.
When I see the mustang 5.0, Boss 302, and the GT 500, I like them more and more. I really LOVE how ford has done the factory supercharged thing with these mustangs. I know theyve been doing that for years though.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: amxautox]
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09/03/13 11:18 PM
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Plus they are soooo cheap to hop up, I picked up a stainless steel exhaust for my 2012 5.0 at a car show a few weeks ago for $150. I also picked up new SVT 19" forged wheels from a friend who sent in his GT 500 to Shelby to convert to a Super Snake. When I get a bit of time I'm going to get a set of lowering springs ( around $200 for all 4 new) and camber plates.
They are not a bad looking car, to me they are about the same as a Challenger and much better looking than a Camaro.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: 67autocross]
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09/04/13 10:35 AM
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Man... some of you guys need to get off the MOPAR band wagon and open your minds a little bit. The Mustang and Camaro are both outstanding cars and when equipped properly will outright slaughter all but the best of high-dollar pro-touring cars regardless of the manufacturer.
The key is simple - decide what car works best for you and your needs, purchase it and be happy. Case closed.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MrAngry]
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09/04/13 10:38 AM
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The Mustang is by far the best way to go. I hit the track at least twice per month, I'm an instructor with NASA and an automotive journalist which means I get to drive just about everything under the sun. Bang for the buck the Mustang cannot be beat. I purchased a new 2013 base model GT last year with the track pack and the Recaro's. It's been bullet proof and has the capacity in stock form to compete with much higher dollar cars.
Now... if you want to step your game up even more, look at a Camaro SS with the 1LE package. That will out handle the Mustang as it has better suspension and much wider meat all around. However it will run about 5-6k more.
Mike-
Do you have track times for your Daytona, charger, and 2013 mustang GT that you could post? I'd be curious to see the comparison. You're probably the only one on this site who owns old and new, tracks them all, and runs a road course enough to be offer meaningful data.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
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09/04/13 11:41 AM
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Honestly, lap times are somewhat inconsequential here, but here's my take on the subject. Our old cars are wonderful machines. They have styling that can't be matched, can be made to perform wonderfully with enough time, talent and money, and at days end will always make you feel good. However, think about what goes into making that happen. Think about the countless hours of trouble-shooting problems and chasing ghosts like squeaks, rattles, vibrations and electrical issues. People get frustrated, lose and then regain interest, but ultimately, everybody is still ALWAYS, in some way wrenching on their cars.
Now please don't misunderstand me, this is NOT a bad thing as it's part of the hobby, and God knows I've been down and continue to go down that road on a daily basis with my cars because I love them. HOWEVER, and this is dependent on your individual needs, you have to decide on WHAT you want to do with your car, and WHY you want to do it.
I'm very fortunate as my job allows me to get behind the wheel of some the best cars out there, both new and old ranging from Bugatti Veyron's to the wickedest pro-touring cars on the planet. This has taught me a couple of things:
1. You can have the best suspension, engine, and build that money can buy. But if YOU can't drive it, you're ass out. That means SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME and MORE SEAT TIME. There are guys on this forum like Dan, Marty, Steve and Tony to name a few, that could probably kill 85% of track day guys whilst driving a V6 Honda Accord.
2. MONEY: I've got a TON of cash wrapped up in both my cars (Charger/Daytona). Yet I went out and purchased a new Mustang for just over $30k and it will kill them both. Tack on some real suspension, wheels and tires and now, for under $40K I've got a car that will run with the best of the best, regardless of the manufacturers. I've got 13 track days on that car since May with the only maintenance being fluid, tire and brake pad changes. That's it - not one single issue, not a single worry.
3. Piece of mind. I don't worry about my Mustang. I bought it as a track rat / semi-daily driver. Now, if I crash it at the track will that suck? Yep... but not as bad as stuffing the Charger or Daytona into the wall.
Also keep in mind that before I purchased that car I contemplated taking that money and putting it into the Charger. 6.4 HEMI, new tranny, suspension, etc... etc. At days end though, I'd still have a beautiful looking car that was 18-feet long, weighed almost 4,000 lbs and still DIDN'T handle like a slot car. Plus, I'd be chasing gremlins and trouble shooting. I'm too old for that. Now, I just want to have fun.
Charger / Daytona = Hot Rods and will keep forever
Mustang = Track Car / semi-disposable
Different cars for different needs.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by MrAngry; 09/04/13 11:48 AM.
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MrAngry]
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09/04/13 12:48 PM
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Nice car…I’m partial to the silver myself
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MrAngry]
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09/04/13 01:21 PM
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Also keep in mind that before I purchased that car I contemplated taking that money and putting it into the Charger. 6.4 HEMI, new tranny, suspension, etc... etc. At days end though, I'd still have a beautiful looking car that was 18-feet long, weighed almost 4,000 lbs and still DIDN'T handle like a slot car. Plus, I'd be chasing gremlins and trouble shooting. I'm too old for that. Now, I just want to have fun.
I went through a similar thought process (but for different reasons). I wanted an injected daily driver and I HATE having to smog carbureted vehicles. I had a perfectly serviceable 79 Power Wagon that I thought about putting a 5.9 Magnum into. In the end, I thought about the work involved (we've already done this swap, sort of 5.2 into an 84 Ramcharger), but in the end, I'd still have a 3/4t 4wd truck that I really didn't need. So, I picked up a 2000 Durango that needed a few things (main thing was an engine computer) and sold the truck.
It is about having a vehicle that fits your own unique needs. In this case, the 2000 is more comfortable, gets better mileage, AND fits more places. AND, in the theme of this thread, would probably do better on a track than the Power Wagon...
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Re: Boss 302 Mustang or old Mopar
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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09/04/13 01:26 PM
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I agree Mike, and you are fortunate to be able have both old and new. My main point was if Dodge had a car with say, 110" wheelbase, that weighed in at even 3500 lbs the Mustang would look way less appealing. Too bad it doesnt and the talk of a "Cuda" has been quiet.
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A used Gen I or II Viper runs up at about the same price.
