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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: Rapom65]
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08/29/13 08:49 PM
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One is the T56 Magnum you can order and have next day'd if needed and the trans costs $2895 instead of $4300+. The T56 is essentially geared identical to an 833 but with 2 extra OD gears. Plus the shifting of a T56 is snick,snick not row,row like an 833. If I had a numbers matching rarity that I wanted to drive I would go with the Passon if,if,if I could get one. Some people require a bolt in trans so if that is the case the $4300 makes sense. All 6 of my gears are very usable indeed.
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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: 72Swinger]
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08/29/13 09:07 PM
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T 56 shifts great, I had one behind a 400Hp LT1 in one of the other cars we can't talk about on Moparts and it worked great. The rear end had 373's with a torsen and it was fun to drive. If I was installing one again I would not go lower than 355 gears. This is a proven transmission that you can get parts for anywhere if something breaks, and they all break.
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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: 72Swinger]
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08/29/13 09:45 PM
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Swinger, nothing can beat a new tranny for shift quality that is for sure. Out of curiosity what is your rear axle ratio? I would think if it is not within a certain ball park you would have to include a new ring and pinion in the cost calculation to keep all six in the "sweet spot". Asking because I truly don't know.
Isn't a Quick Time bell required and aren't they in the $600 neighborhood? What else has to be purchased or modified: clutch, clutch linkage, shifter handle & ball, yoke & u joints, does the drive shaft have to be cut? Does the $2895 include all that?
Not trying to be a pecker but you have to be all inclusive in cost comparisons and time/effort involved. Is the Passion a glorified aluminum case 883 OD? Yes. Is a T56 superior? Probably, but is it really cheaper? Labor may be free or maybe the OP would have to pay someone to do the install due to skills, time, tools?
My only experience with swapping in a modern trans was helping my friend install a "no mods" Keisler 5 speed. What a frickin nightmare. To this day it still wont shift worth a damn and that's after another clutch & throwout bearing and a trip back to the manufacturer. He is a very dissatisfied customer.
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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: Rapom65]
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08/29/13 10:44 PM
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Swinger, nothing can beat a new tranny for shift quality that is for sure. Out of curiosity what is your rear axle ratio? I would think if it is not within a certain ball park you would have to include a new ring and pinion in the cost calculation to keep all six in the "sweet spot". Asking because I truly don't know.
Isn't a Quick Time bell required and aren't they in the $600 neighborhood? What else has to be purchased or modified: clutch, clutch linkage, shifter handle & ball, yoke & u joints, does the drive shaft have to be cut? Does the $2895 include all that?
Not trying to be a pecker but you have to be all inclusive in cost comparisons and time/effort involved. Is the Passion a glorified aluminum case 883 OD? Yes. Is a T56 superior? Probably, but is it really cheaper? Labor may be free or maybe the OP would have to pay someone to do the install due to skills, time, tools?
My only experience with swapping in a modern trans was helping my friend install a "no mods" Keisler 5 speed. What a frickin nightmare. To this day it still wont shift worth a damn and that's after another clutch & throwout bearing and a trip back to the manufacturer. He is a very dissatisfied customer.
I agree, and the Passon has its place for ie; 1970 Hemi Cuda with a 4 spd already in it would be a perfect candidate. I think I have right around $3-3200 in my entire conversion. Yes Quicktime bell was $535 a year and a half ago when I bought it. Take into account that it is a scattershield and sfi cert'd. 10.5" Flywheel $150, clutch $300, driveshaft $400, Hurst billet shifter $130, shift handle ???, Viper slave cylinder $125 (Dorman), Wilwood master $100, braided line $30, an fitting $20, metal for floor and crossmember $75 etc. I already had clutch pedals. Here is a pic of my homemade clutch master setup with the Wilwood 7/8" bore master.
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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: CumminsExpress]
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08/29/13 11:17 PM
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I found a Kevlar Zoom, slightly used, 26 spline Chevy disc at a swap meet for $50. Then I bought a Spec #gm012 pressure plate. When I get another engine together I have a new McLeod RST #6913-07 that I found for $375 shipped.
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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: CumminsExpress]
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08/29/13 11:20 PM
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When I converted my 87 Diplomat over to 4 speed I rebuilt the A833, new Hurst Comp shifter. It was smooth shifting, two fingers is all it took. Taught two of my daughters how to drive stick with that car.
I did take the shifter apart, smooth any burrs, light polish on the shifter levers, clean, grease and reassemble. Nothing magic, just a once over.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Advantages of T56 over Passion 5 speed?
[Re: Rapom65]
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08/30/13 12:10 AM
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What trans/car? The Longacre placement wise was perfect, IIRC it had a 3" setback. If the PG was bent rearward about 1.5" it would be better for cruising. When I hit the track though and the seat gets slid forward a bit, it should be fine though.
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