Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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Most rank and file racers are budget guys trying to work around family, jobs, etc.
You get into the heads up deal, and pretty soon the guys with money run everyone else off, and you wind up with four cars on race day.
Brackets pay the bills. Like it or not, that's the fact.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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Any "heads-up" class with an index IS bracket racing. It is just easier on the tower crew setting dial-ins.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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I would think from a spectators view that index racing would be more fun to watch and easier to understand because the cars are leaving at the same time. I can't comment from a racers view because I've only raced standard bracket and heads up, never index raced.
Not always the case I guess in index racing. In the NSS racing we index race but run against each other with a different index depending on the ladder. The hard part is having to get your car to run the index even when you know it can run in between 2 classes. We do have class races where it is heads up at times but most often not. Index racing seems to be gaining steam compared to dial in racing in NSS and just flat out heads up index racing I also think that from the viewpoint of a spectator that index racing is easier to understand and follow. At least that is what I have heard from many spectators.
Russ
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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would you as a track owner say the heads up racing 5.7 6.0 7.0 etc is better for the track and fans or is bracket racing better .. and for the racer which do you preferr and why?
What you show here(5.7, 6.0, 7.0) is index racing which is cool... that way its a heads up start but with those numbers as the fastest you can go.. I've done that in the last few years... it also keeps the budget in line... but you also need the standard bracket races
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love index racing. Given the chance I'd do nothing but that. The local track seems to have steered away from that though . I'd think the spectators, (what few there are), would like to see heads up starts.
Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love index racing. Given the chance I'd do nothing but that. The local track seems to have steered away from that though .
I'd think the spectators, (what few there are), would like to see heads up starts.
they are all bracket with the capability of breaking out... and for the spectator probably the heads up will be better. and any track could have even a 8.0 But I don't see to may cars faster than 5.7 every track has some but not a lot. and we really only race ourself anyway.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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would you as a track owner say the heads up racing 5.7 6.0 7.0 etc is better for the track and fans or is bracket racing better .. and for the racer which do you preferr and why?
What you show here(5.7, 6.0, 7.0) is index racing which is cool... that way its a heads up start but with those numbers as the fastest you can go.. I've done that in the last few years... it also keeps the budget in line... but you also need the standard bracket races
I stopped at the 5.7 because there are not very many who can run 5.7 or faster. I like the 6.0 and the 7.0 . those cars are plentiful and a 6.0 or 7.0 is fast enough for most fans. heads up is just a tiny bit better in my oppinion. I hate to wait in the line at McDees or on the tree. but even waiting on the tree is better than watching.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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would you as a track owner say the heads up racing 5.7 6.0 7.0 etc is better for the track and fans or is bracket racing better .. and for the racer which do you preferr and why?
What you show here(5.7, 6.0, 7.0) is index racing which is cool... that way its a heads up start but with those numbers as the fastest you can go.. I've done that in the last few years... it also keeps the budget in line... but you also need the standard bracket races
I stopped at the 5.7 because there are not very many who can run 5.7 or faster. I like the 6.0 and the 7.0 . those cars are plentiful and a 6.0 or 7.0 is fast enough for most fans. heads up is just a tiny bit better in my oppinion. I hate to wait in the line at McDees or on the tree. but even waiting on the tree is better than watching.
Why the question in the first place.. are you contemplating opening or buying a track.. just curious
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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well not me but, I have been talking to a business man with the potential to .. but only discussion with a little interest at this point.
With some input from a few racers he SHOULD be able to make a buck if its a nice track... if its a dirt pile now.. then he would have to average his money over a 10 to 15 year period to start making a buck.. depending on how much he had to throw at it... JMO
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I know most spectators dont understand SuperStreet (10.90) and SuperGas (9.90) as they always wonder why the cars run so bad right after they launch. Most spectators think something is wrong with the cars if they dont know about that class of racing. I would rather watch bracket racing over the 10.90 and 9.90 cars. I have only bracket raced myself though. Ron
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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I would think from a spectators view that index racing would be more fun to watch and easier to understand because the cars are leaving at the same time. I can't comment from a racers view because I've only raced standard bracket and heads up, never index raced.
why not have several index classes . for every budget.. every .50 have a index class from ???? where would be the cutoff 8.0 then every thing under 8.o run bracket. have eliminator rounds matching the winners of the index to the closest. the bracket winner would fall into 8.0 winner for example.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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I would think from a spectators view that index racing would be more fun to watch and easier to understand because the cars are leaving at the same time. I can't comment from a racers view because I've only raced standard bracket and heads up, never index raced.
why not have several index classes . for every budget.. every .50 have a index class from ???? where would be the cutoff 8.0 then every thing under 8.o run bracket. have eliminator rounds matching the winners of the index to the closest. the bracket winner would fall into 8.0 winner for example.
You cant have a bunch of different payouts.. he would loose his butt... it has to be simple and sweet with as few classes as possible due to payouts... JMO
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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well not me but, I have been talking to a business man with the potential to .. but only discussion with a little interest at this point.
With some input from a few racers he SHOULD be able to make a buck if its a nice track... if its a dirt pile now.. then he would have to average his money over a 10 to 15 year period to start making a buck.. depending on how much he had to throw at it... JMO Quote:
this guy is not a racer in any way although he does watch on TV some and has been to some Nascar events and to some local dragways before . He is a car and truck guy . But I showed him the famous Tim Lynch wheelie and he was hooked. its business and he will not actually do the management part. he would just build and own. but like I said its just a discussion of interest now.
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Re: track owners ???? racer question????
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I would think from a spectators view that index racing would be more fun to watch and easier to understand because the cars are leaving at the same time. I can't comment from a racers view because I've only raced standard bracket and heads up, never index raced.
why not have several index classes . for every budget.. every .50 have a index class from ???? where would be the cutoff 8.0 then every thing under 8.o run bracket. have eliminator rounds matching the winners of the index to the closest. the bracket winner would fall into 8.0 winner for example.
You cant have a bunch of different payouts.. he would loose his butt... it has to be simple and sweet with as few classes as possible due to payouts... JMO
what about small payout for class and bonus for eliminator winner . its just a matter of numbers .. I would not mind running a class being paid according to the # of cars in the class and then a bonus for eliminators.
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