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another ladder bar question #1479205 08/03/13 10:56 PM 08/03/13 10:56 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	just wondering if I will see any gains in my 60ft times, currently I see 1.46's..the scoop on the car 71 demon big block 727 trans d60 rear with 4.56 gears and 14x32 tires the rear susp is the old style leaf link and going to ladder bars just hoping for improvements Thanks everyone in advance 7801529-racephoto001.jpg (91 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: 67mprfan] #1479206 08/03/13 10:59 PM 08/03/13 10:59 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	You should see some over that leaf link... it wont be as much as going from just leafs

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1479207 08/03/13 11:10 PM 08/03/13 11:10 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Quote: You should see some over that leaf link... it wont be as much as going from just leafs Thanks Mike I was hoping for low 1.40's the best so far this year was a 1.44 7801543-racephoto001.jpg (43 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: 67mprfan] #1479208 08/03/13 11:30 PM 08/03/13 11:30 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: You should see some over that leaf link... it wont be as much as going from just leafs Thanks Mike I was hoping for low 1.40's the best so far this year was a 1.44 I think it will do that if not a touch better once its dialed in

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1479209 08/04/13 12:28 AM 08/04/13 12:28 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	My barracuda 60's at 1.40 with 4.56 gear, 11.5- 29.5 tire with the ladder bars. When I went from clamped stock springs to the ladder bar it only improved maybe .002 but it sure made the car [ me ] feel better. Te car had spring wrap up and porpussed . The whole car would come of the track when I pulled 2nd gear. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: rowin4] #1479210 08/04/13 04:55 PM 08/04/13 04:55 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Quote: My barracuda 60's at 1.40 with 4.56 gear, 11.5- 29.5 tire with the ladder bars. When I went from clamped stock springs to the ladder bar it only improved maybe .002 I Guess as long as I see some improvements I will be happy I really was just trying to get rear square up in the car because 1 side stick further than the other 7802213-63250012.jpg (77 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: 67mprfan] #1479211 08/04/13 04:57 PM 08/04/13 04:57 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	the other side 7802215-63250004.jpg (81 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: 67mprfan] #1479212 08/04/13 05:04 PM 08/04/13 05:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	If you want you could cut the spring mounts off and center the axle... or cut the one side and shorten it.. but you might need the axle cut also

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1479213 08/04/13 05:15 PM 08/04/13 05:15 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Quote: cut the one side and shorten it.. but you might need the axle cut also we were going to do that but when tearing everything down we discovered on the ds the axle was rubbing up against the wheel cylinder and put a nice groove in it( which I feel really blessed it didn't rub a hole in it while making a pass) so we are going to start from scratch and add ladder bars for a upgrade. 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: 67mprfan] #1479214 08/04/13 05:17 PM 08/04/13 05:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: cut the one side and shorten it.. but you might need the axle cut also we were going to do that but when tearing everything down we discovered on the ds the axle was rubbing up against the wheel cylinder and put a nice groove in it( which I feel really blessed it didn't rub a hole in it while making a pass) so we are going to start from scratch and add ladder bars for a upgrade. Gotta ya

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: 67mprfan] #1479215 08/04/13 07:06 PM 08/04/13 07:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Quote: cut the one side and shorten it.. but you might need the axle cut also we were going to do that but when tearing everything down we discovered on the ds the axle was rubbing up against the wheel cylinder and put a nice groove in it( which I feel really blessed it didn't rub a hole in it while making a pass) so we are going to start from scratch and add ladder bars for a upgrade. That is a good find To bad it happened Take your time on centering the rear end in the car, it is not uncommon on Mopars to have what you found, the rear end is not center in the chassis What type of rear suspension are you going to use now, leaf springs with sliders , coil overs or ? Also what device, if your going to coil overs, are you going to use the keep the housing centered in the car? My Duster had coil overs and a diagonal link, that worked real well on the street and track I use to race another Duster years ago that had ladder bars with leaf springs with a slider set up on it and it drove real well also at the track, it wasn't a street and strip car though. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: Cab_Burge] #1479216 08/04/13 07:18 PM 08/04/13 07:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	are you having traction problems now? if it's hooking now you probably wont see a lot of gain.if it's spinning you may gain some.

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: Cab_Burge] #1479217 08/04/13 09:39 PM 08/04/13 09:39 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Quote: Quote: Quote: cut the one side and shorten it.. but you might need the axle cut also What type of rear suspension are you going to use now, leaf springs with sliders , coil overs or ? Also what device, if your going to coil overs, are you going to use the keep the housing centered in the car? My Duster had coil overs and a diagonal link, that worked real well on the street and track I use to race another Duster years ago that had ladder bars with leaf springs with a slider set up on it and it drove real well also at the track, it wasn't a street and strip car though. Cab right now it has a leaf link set-up now i'm going with ladder bars and coil overs ditching the leaf springs 7802570-racephoto001.jpg (46 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question [Re: Quicktree] #1479218 08/04/13 09:43 PM 08/04/13 09:43 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Quote: are you having traction problems now? if it's hooking now you probably wont see a lot of gain.if it's spinning you may gain some. 60 ft now avg 1.46's with the best this year at 1.44 so hoping to get low 1.40's 7802575-racephoto001.jpg (52 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question (Update) [Re: 67mprfan] #1479219 10/22/13 02:56 PM 10/22/13 02:56 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Hello everyone just to give an update after I got my car back with the new ladder bar set-up with coil overs I've tested the car a few times but not going into the long details but the good new is on sunday I hit a new best . 1st pass rt.1.15 60ft.1.390 YEA et.6.420 2nd pass rt..443 RED 60ft.1.405 et.6.422 3rd pass rt..329 RED 60ft.1.407 et.6.442 4th pass rt..416 RED 60ft.1.419 et 6.451 very bad burnout still got bugs to work out but did see some improvements 7896604-DSC00764.JPG (58 downloads) 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question (Update) [Re: 67mprfan] #1479220 10/22/13 02:57 PM 10/22/13 02:57 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	another look of new stance on the car 7896605-DSC00762.JPG (131 downloads) Last edited by 67mprfan; 10/22/13 02:58 PM. 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question (Update) [Re: 67mprfan] #1479221 10/22/13 02:58 PM 10/22/13 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington T Triple Threat master
Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	headed in the right direction -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: another ladder bar question (Update) [Re: 67mprfan] #1479222 10/22/13 03:17 PM 10/22/13 03:17 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Which type coil overs, single or double adjsutable? I should have elaborated a little more about buying a double adjustable with 6 inches or longer total travel(3 inches up, 3 inches down), sorry I didn't Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: another ladder bar question (Update) [Re: Cab_Burge] #1479223 10/22/13 03:37 PM 10/22/13 03:37 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio 6 67mprfan OP super stock
67mprfan OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,030 ohio	Quote: Which type coil overs, single or double adjsutable? I should have elaborated a little more about buying a double adjustable with 6 inches or longer total travel(3 inches up, 3 inches down), sorry I didn't Cab they are qa-1 single adjustable I've been only to a couple of tracks since getting the car back in sept which is pacemaker and national trails and just been trying different dial set-up have not move the bars yet they are set in the middle hole 71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's

Re: another ladder bar question (Update) [Re: 67mprfan] #1479224 10/22/13 03:52 PM 10/22/13 03:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	I had mine set in the next to the bottom hole on the 1/4 max four hole front mount, I moved it to the bottom and ended up changing from Strange single adjustable coil overs to the same set up with Strange double adjustables and switched from a 175 lb spring to a 150 lb. spring. The car ended up doing 1.37 60 ft. on a set of 13x30x15 M/T ET Street bias ply tires Try moving them up and down , lower hole for the good tracts and the higher hole for the bad tracts Make sure and reset the pinion angle also each time with the changes, my car like from negative(down)3 to 5 degrees from the pinion gear to the driveshaft Whats your thoughts on how the car drives now compared to the old set up Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

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