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Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee #1478601
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I have a Red 41 tooth speedo gear which is supposed to be correct for my 26" OD, 235/60R15 tires using an A833 trans and factory 4.10 gears, however the speedo reads high by about 5 mph...

Is there any adjustment in the speedo itself, or do I just need a 43 tooth speedo gear???

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Arnie


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Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: cudabin] #1478602
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it's been my experience that once you can get it to + or - 5mph you can pretty much call it good. there really isn't any other adjustment i'm aware of.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: mikemee1331] #1478603
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Is your odometer accurate? If the odometer is accurate, you have a calibration problem. If the odometer is off, you have the wrong gear.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: cudabin] #1478604
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Here's the factory chart from the 1970 Plymouth FSM(Factory Service Manual)



Looks like you need the 43 tooth gear IMO...a 235/60/15 is close to a E-60/15 tire diameter and width

mike

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Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: DAYCLONA] #1478605
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I got an excel spreadsheet from somewhere that uses actual tire diameter and width,it shows 41 teeth for your application

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: burdar] #1478606
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Is your odometer accurate? If the odometer is accurate, you have a calibration problem. If the odometer is off, you have the wrong gear.




Always let the odometer accuracy determine the correct pinion.


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Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: John_Kunkel] #1478607
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Always let the odometer accuracy determine the correct pinion.




I'm going to be working on a device to calibrate a mopar speedo, perhaps I can do a little business on the side... hmm.

My Duster is off a good 10 mph with the odo being spot on.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: gdonovan] #1478608
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Mine reads 5 slow. It was just rebuilt too. Odometer is accurate.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: John_Kunkel] #1478609
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Is your odometer accurate? If the odometer is accurate, you have a calibration problem. If the odometer is off, you have the wrong gear.




Always let the odometer accuracy determine the correct pinion.




Why? I am more interested in an accurate speedo. My odo is fast, but the speedo is dead nuts on, at least up to about 80

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1478610
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Is your odometer accurate? If the odometer is accurate, you have a calibration problem. If the odometer is off, you have the wrong gear.




Always let the odometer accuracy determine the correct pinion.




Why? I am more interested in an accurate speedo. My odo is fast, but the speedo is dead nuts on, at least up to about 80




Because the odo is gear driven, direct drive. The needle is done by a spinning magnet. Once the odo is reading correct (I verified mine by highway mile markers and GPS) it should be a simple matter to adjust the speedo to also read correct assuming you have something to drive the speedo at a fixed speed.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: gdonovan] #1478611
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Is your odometer accurate? If the odometer is accurate, you have a calibration problem. If the odometer is off, you have the wrong gear.




Always let the odometer accuracy determine the correct pinion.




Why? I am more interested in an accurate speedo. My odo is fast, but the speedo is dead nuts on, at least up to about 80




Because the odo is gear driven, direct drive. The needle is done by a spinning magnet. Once the odo is reading correct (I verified mine by highway mile markers and GPS) it should be a simple matter to adjust the speedo to also read correct assuming you have something to drive the speedo at a fixed speed.




...and how do you adjust the speedo?

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: cudabin] #1478612
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#1 get the odo correct by (in your case) a speedo gear with more teeth to slow it down. Check with GPS or 5 of the interstate mile markers in a row & they are pretty accurate. With the odo correct(ed) then if the speedo ain't correct then it needs to come out & take it in to a speedo specialty repair shop to have the magnetic gismo be recalibrated & it is something that connot be done at home. As said the speedo is DRIVEN off of & references from the odo so if the odo is off the speedo will always be off & it (that amount of error) may or may not be something you can live with. Just me I want em (odo/speedo) dead on. Those digital portable roadside MPH signs you see on occaision are a good way to check speedo accuracy. You might have to make a return trip when there's little traffic so the sign is reading your vehicle


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Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: RapidRobert] #1478613
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Ok, took a small trip with my Garmin, and with the speedo showing 35mph, the GPS said 30mph which is 14% less...

At 70mph indicated on the speedo, the GPS said 62mph which is also 14% less than indicated.

The odometer at 3.1 miles only showed 3.0 on the GPS, which is 4% less than indicated.

My speedo needle fluctuates/bounces a little bit so I will replace the cable and recheck the speedo.

I am planning to put a 255/60R15 or 275/60R15 on the back, which should put the speedo closer, but the odometer would then show less than actual.

Who do you guys recommend for Speedo calibration and tick/tock/tachometer repair??

Cheers,

Arnie


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Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: cudabin] #1478614
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The odometer at 3.1 miles only showed 3.0 on the GPS, which is 4% less than indicated.
My speedo needle fluctuates/bounces a little bit so I will replace the cable and recheck the speedo. I am planning to put a 255/60R15 or 275/60R15 on the back,


right now you need a speedo pinion with 4% more teeth (as close as you can get to that of course) to slow down the ODO. I would wait & do the tires then recheck with the GPS & see what % the error is then, then get the correct pinion gear in there. You dont have to wait for the tires/correct pinion gear as you can send the speedo assy in & they'll calibrate it so when you get it back it'll read correct when you have the correct pinion in there since the odo controls the speedo. Depending on how close the correct pinion tooth count will get you, you can get the gear reduction box that goes in series in the speedo cable to get the input from the cable dead on (if needed). It's sold more for outrageious rear gear ratios but I'm sure it would help dial in a combo. I have one but I ain't done anything with it yet


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Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1478615
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...and how do you adjust the speedo?




*if* the gear and odo is correct a matter of adjusting the stops and spring pressure on the assembly.

You need something that can spin the assembly at a dead nuts fixed speed so where x rpm = desired speed. Most speedos are calibrated at 55 mph if I remember right.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: gdonovan] #1478616
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1000 rpm of the speedo cable equals 60 mph i.e. 1000 turns of the cable equals one mile on the odometer.


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1000 rpm of the speedo cable equals 60 mph i.e. 1000 turns of the cable equals one mile on the odometer.




Now THAT'S an obscure factoid!!!

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1478618
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So who do you guys recommend for the calibration and I may as well fix the tick/tock/tach as well...

Arnie


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1000 rpm of the speedo cable equals 60 mph i.e. 1000 turns of the cable equals one mile on the odometer.




Now THAT'S an obscure factoid!!!




If I recall, its printed right on the speedo face on some units.

Re: Speedo not accurate...1970 Bee [Re: cudabin] #1478620
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The final adjustment is done to the spinning magnet. An recharged magnet is overcharged then it is demagnetize while spinning while on a test stand.

Over time the magnets will loose their strength this will affect accuracy.

Last year I bought an old speedometer repair shop.

The smaller gold box is the transformer for the magnet charger/d-charger with red tape.

The gray box is a portable speedometer tester.







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