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Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? #1465447 07/09/13 02:38 PM 07/09/13 02:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,823 N.E. OHIO, USA A12 OP Too Many Posts
A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,823 N.E. OHIO, USA	Had this sent to me by someone that was concerned about the condition of his engine oil that appeared "darker" than normal so he took it to a local "Oil Analysis" company. To me the oil seemed normal and the chart doesn't say that there is anything wrong with the oil just that this is what was found. This person thinks there is something major wrong and that there is some kind of engine damage as a result of the condition of the oil. This is what the OA company wrote to him..... We observed nonferrous metal debris consistent with copper and aluminum. These are identified by color, and alignment in the magnetic field. Because copper and aluminum are nonmagnetic, the wear particles disperse throughout the slide in no particular behavior pattern. Iron, on the other hand aligns itself with the magnetic field of the test apparatus in strings of ferrous debris. I have attached a brief description of the test conditions for identifying nonferrous metal debris. 7770972-oilanalysis.png (117 downloads)

Re: Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? [Re: A12] #1465448 07/09/13 02:50 PM 07/09/13 02:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,943 San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A. 1968RR top fuel
1968RR top fuel Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,943 San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A.	It seems like the company that did the analysis simply places the oil sample in a magnetic field under a microscope and sees which particles align themselves with the field (iron particles, likely from the block) and which particles don't align themselves with the field (copper and other non-ferrous metals, likely from bearings). I guess it would let the guy know if his cylinder walls being worn or if the bearings are getting worn. Either way, this seems like a really cheesy, low-tech way of analyzing oil. Most places use mass spectroscopy. X-ray fluorescence could also tell you what's in the oil (but maybe not quantitatively). IMHO, NAA is the best way to analyze oil samples: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1 Last edited by 1968RR; 07/09/13 02:52 PM. "When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson

Re: Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? [Re: 1968RR] #1465449 07/09/13 03:06 PM 07/09/13 03:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	First, it's a crap oil analysis. Don't use them again. Second, copper and aluminum are bearing wear metals. But as its a crap oil analysis, it has no meaning. Run the engine with its new oil for 5000 miles and send THAT oil into a good lab. Titan and Blackstone are two I have used, there are many more. They should check for viscosity, particulate in the ranges usually used in oil analysis, then some sort of spectral analysis that tells the ppm of different elements. Shouldn't cost more than $25 to get all of this, possibly less. R. PS: Lubrication is one of my work areas.

Re: Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? [Re: dogdays] #1465450 07/09/13 04:58 PM 07/09/13 04:58 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed
IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation	I used to know a guy who hauled for Haulmark trailer ... lived near me in down-state MI ... he also said that many of these oil analysis deals are a scam.

Re: Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? [Re: dogdays] #1465451 07/10/13 05:15 AM 07/10/13 05:15 AM
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a12superbee master A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,310 colorado	Quote: First, it's a crap oil analysis. Don't use them again. Second, copper and aluminum are bearing wear metals. But as its a crap oil analysis, it has no meaning. Run the engine with its new oil for 5000 miles and send THAT oil into a good lab. Titan and Blackstone are two I have used, there are many more. They should check for viscosity, particulate in the ranges usually used in oil analysis, then some sort of spectral analysis that tells the ppm of different elements. Shouldn't cost more than $25 to get all of this, possibly less. R. PS: Lubrication is one of my work areas. I agree that is a pretty lousy 'analysis', nothing like I've ever seen. All about the PPM and/or the identification of outside contaminants. I can't afford this. mark

Re: Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? [Re: a12superbee] #1465452 07/10/13 08:18 AM 07/10/13 08:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA 62maxwgn master
62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: Quote: First, it's a crap oil analysis. Don't use them again. Second, copper and aluminum are bearing wear metals. But as its a crap oil analysis, it has no meaning. Run the engine with its new oil for 5000 miles and send THAT oil into a good lab. Titan and Blackstone are two I have used, there are many more. They should check for viscosity, particulate in the ranges usually used in oil analysis, then some sort of spectral analysis that tells the ppm of different elements. Shouldn't cost more than $25 to get all of this, possibly less. R. PS: Lubrication is one of my work areas. I agree that is a pretty lousy 'analysis', nothing like I've ever seen. All about the PPM and/or the identification of outside contaminants. One that I had done,this one makes sense ! 7771701-Picture623.jpg (56 downloads)

Re: Anyone know what this Oil Analysis means or reads?? [Re: A12] #1465453 07/10/13 12:52 PM 07/10/13 12:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,285 Pacific NW USA CompSyn pro stock
CompSyn pro stock Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,285 Pacific NW USA	If you're getting analysis done, I suggest none other than POLARIS Laboratories. POLARIS Laboratories is one of the largest in the nation with four locations and has attained the highest level of ISO accreditation, the ISO 17025 A2LA . I use their private label program through - Oil Analyzers Inc Examples of other POLARIS Laboratories Private Label Programs includes but is not limited to New Holland, Chevron, Kendall Motor Oil, ConocoPhillips, Allison Transmission, Case Construction and many others. Those companies trust POLARIS with their testing needs, so do I.

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