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Ladder bar cars ? #1462834 07/04/13 03:38 PM 07/04/13 03:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 656 G griff70440 OP mopar
griff70440 OP mopar G Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 656	How fast can you go with a ladder bar set up?

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: griff70440] #1462835 07/04/13 03:54 PM 07/04/13 03:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,346 west palm beach, florida modelmakerinc top fuel
modelmakerinc top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,346 west palm beach, florida	The question is very vague, I don't think the rear suspension is the limiting factor of how "quick" a car can be. There are many more variables which will come into play before you can say that the Ladder bar suspension will not let me make it faster. just my Exceptional Architectural, Yacht and Automotive scale models. e-mail modelmakerinc@att.net for a portfolio review. www.modelmakerinc.com

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: griff70440] #1462836 07/04/13 04:07 PM 07/04/13 04:07 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Is 7s fast enough.. I was low 9s with ladder bars in my old chassis but I changed over to a 4-link.. my car was violent with ladder bars.. but I put ladder bars in my Rampage... but I only want 10.0s in that car

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462837 07/04/13 06:23 PM 07/04/13 06:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 656 G griff70440 OP mopar
griff70440 OP mopar G Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 656	I would like to go mid to high 8's in a 2800 lb duster

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: griff70440] #1462838 07/04/13 07:14 PM 07/04/13 07:14 PM
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Dduster mopar D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 580 Livermore, CA	I think the limiting factors to run in the 8's are the front suspension and motor not the rear suspension assuming the weight is reasonable. I know three friends who run B/Gas (8.60) with ladder bars. You need an aftermarket front suspension or tube frame (square or round) front clips that will work at say 140/150 mph along with a muscular Big Block. Just money

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: griff70440] #1462839 07/04/13 08:07 PM 07/04/13 08:07 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I would like to go mid to high 8's in a 2800 lb duster I would go with a 4-link over the ladder bars.. way less violent and can handle all types of track conditions .. JMO

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462840 07/04/13 08:42 PM 07/04/13 08:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 656 G griff70440 OP mopar
griff70440 OP mopar G Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 656	The car I'm buying has ladder bars and a tube coil over front. I'm thinking a BB. I have a Lenco I'd like to put behind it. The car weighs 2800 lbs with a SB in it.

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: griff70440] #1462841 07/04/13 08:47 PM 07/04/13 08:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: The car I'm buying has ladder bars and a tube coil over front. I'm thinking a BB. I have a Lenco I'd like to put behind it. The car weighs 2800 lbs with a SB in it. I'll sell you my car.. it weighs 2400 with in in it turn key with my W-9.. runs high 8s with the mild cam.. 4-link and strut front end

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462842 07/04/13 11:05 PM 07/04/13 11:05 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	my dart has ladder bars, hooks on any track without any work and runs 8ohs. Go for it you will be fine. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462843 07/04/13 11:11 PM 07/04/13 11:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon master
Jeepmon master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	Quote: Is 7s fast enough.. I was low 9s with ladder bars in my old chassis but I changed over to a 4-link.. my car was violent with ladder bars.. but I put ladder bars in my Rampage... but I only want 10.0s in that car Can you explain the word "violent" a little more...?? How/when was the car violent? 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: Jeepmon] #1462844 07/04/13 11:27 PM 07/04/13 11:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Is 7s fast enough.. I was low 9s with ladder bars in my old chassis but I changed over to a 4-link.. my car was violent with ladder bars.. but I put ladder bars in my Rampage... but I only want 10.0s in that car Can you explain the word "violent" a little more...?? How/when was the car violent? Sure.. it hits the tires so hard it was like someone punched me in the chest HARD.. that was on a 1.22 60'... with the 4-link in the car its smooth and I get a 1.19 60'

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462845 07/04/13 11:51 PM 07/04/13 11:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Quote: Quote: Is 7s fast enough.. I was low 9s with ladder bars in my old chassis but I changed over to a 4-link.. my car was violent with ladder bars.. but I put ladder bars in my Rampage... but I only want 10.0s in that car Can you explain the word "violent" a little more...?? How/when was the car violent? Sure.. it hits the tires so hard it was like someone punched me in the chest HARD.. that was on a 1.22 60'... with the 4-link in the car its smooth and I get a 1.19 60' Same shock? Last edited by 1967DartGT; 07/04/13 11:52 PM. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1462846 07/05/13 12:38 AM 07/05/13 12:38 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Is 7s fast enough.. I was low 9s with ladder bars in my old chassis but I changed over to a 4-link.. my car was violent with ladder bars.. but I put ladder bars in my Rampage... but I only want 10.0s in that car Can you explain the word "violent" a little more...?? How/when was the car violent? Sure.. it hits the tires so hard it was like someone punched me in the chest HARD.. that was on a 1.22 60'... with the 4-link in the car its smooth and I get a 1.19 60' Same shock? Yeah... QA1.. I had them all over on the adjustment.. the only thing that would calm it down was lower launch rpm with more tire pressure... then it was 1.24-1.25 60'

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462847 07/05/13 01:19 AM 07/05/13 01:19 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,491 Oologah, Oklahoma Big Squeeze pro stock
Big Squeeze pro stock Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,491 Oologah, Oklahoma	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Is 7s fast enough.. I was low 9s with ladder bars in my old chassis but I changed over to a 4-link.. my car was violent with ladder bars.. but I put ladder bars in my Rampage... but I only want 10.0s in that car Can you explain the word "violent" a little more...?? How/when was the car violent? Sure.. it hits the tires so hard it was like someone punched me in the chest HARD.. that was on a 1.22 60'... with the 4-link in the car its smooth and I get a 1.19 60' Same shock? Yeah... QA1.. I had them all over on the adjustment.. the only thing that would calm it down was lower launch rpm with more tire pressure... then it was 1.24-1.25 60' Did you try moving the ladder bar down? If you can't handle the truth, you're living a lie.......

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: Big Squeeze] #1462848 07/05/13 01:29 AM 07/05/13 01:29 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Did you try moving the ladder bar down? I had them in the lowest hole... I even added 1 more hole lower to try and soften the hit

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462849 07/05/13 02:04 AM 07/05/13 02:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	I enjoyed having a ladder bar car 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1462850 07/05/13 10:22 AM 07/05/13 10:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,016 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,016 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Going 8.50s to .90s won't be hard to do in a 2800 lb ladderbar car, but as Mike and others stated, they tend to be violent on the hit, and the car would need loooooong wheeliebars to run its' best. AMHIK. Even with 53 percent over the nose and a 106 WB, it is violent and would easily go on the bumper on any launch with some bite. That is with a Torqueflite, 33.6 tall tires, 4.56 gears. If you like the car , consider the possibility of going fourlink down the road if you are after the ultimate in adjustability. I live with mine because I like the violent launch. Its a blast! 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: gregsdart] #1462851 07/05/13 11:12 AM 07/05/13 11:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	you guys need to buy some good shocks. P body,is that pic in your sig a ladder bar? BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1462852 07/05/13 01:01 PM 07/05/13 01:01 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: you guys need to buy some good shocks. P body,is that pic in your sig a ladder bar? No thats the 4-link.. that was for photos..it leaves like this normally 7766142-5-108.JPG (38 downloads)

Re: Ladder bar cars ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1462853 07/05/13 01:25 PM 07/05/13 01:25 PM
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dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,871 MI, usa	My 64 Belvedere has run 9.30 on 10.5. I run a 36" bar. It would hook in a mud puddle. No issues at all so far. I'm actually going to try now to make it spin in quest of quicker 60 ft. Doug

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