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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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My 68 satellite, also gg1, had no blackout.
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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My 68 Charger that was dark Blue from the factory had the blackout. I think all cars should have had it and those that didnt were mistakes. Hate seeing restored bright colored cars without it.
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Rick
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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My 68 Charger that was dark Blue from the factory had the blackout. I think all cars should have had it and those that didnt were mistakes. Hate seeing restored bright colored cars without it.
I agree - theres nothing like a Yellow car, and it sticks out through the grill like a sore thumb.
I have talked to some that say Black cars (For obvious reasons) didn't get it, the only other color was F8 (Dark Green).
Any pics of Survivor '68 or '69's?
Thanks all!
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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Anyone have a diagram showing where the exact locations the blackout went out to?
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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Anyone ahve a diagram showing where the exact locations the blackout went out to?
If done factory correct, it is a sloppy process, and not an exact science.
On the assembly line a guy down in the pit sprayed it from the bottom of the car at an angle on the radiator support with no masking or exact placement of the black spray.
I'm sure there are alot of pics out there to go by.
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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I have an F8 69 GTS that has the blackout.
Hmmm....A survivor I assume?
Makes me think its only rumor that the darker colored cars did not get it??
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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If you go by the Engineering drawing,
"OMIT BLACK-OUT PAINT . . . .
BLACK AY1TX9
MED DK BLUE MET AY2EB7
MED DK GREEN MT AY2EF8"
However if you have proof your car came with the treatment and was one of these colors I'd replace it. We all know assembly line treatments weren't flawless and for the guy spraying black-out on 90% of the cars, there seems to be supporting documentation that some in these colors received black-out due to habit or the gent not reading his shop order.
WOW!!
Thank you!
So now there is proof that these cars were not supposed to get it......BUT, if guys were in the habit of spraying every car, they probably just went ahead and did it!!
As far as I could tell, my Coronet (F8) did not have this treatment, and I'm not planning on putting it on now for sure.
Thank you so much!! 
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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The pit is actually a myth, lots of cars have blackout on top of the lower horizontal surface of the radiator yoke.
If the person spraying it was in a pit under the car, he would have needed a ladder or very long arms for that to happen.
Well I'm glad that someone actually knows what they're talking about! I wish the rumor would stop about someone spraying the blackout in a pit-that was the undercoating line. Before he passed away, I spoke to a guy that worked in the St. Louis factory paint section between 67-71. He said they simply stuck their hand through the grille opening and sprayed as quickly as they could to get some black in there. He also explained that sometimes they just sprayed every car that came down the line-some guys would fill in the job temporarily and didn't know which cars got it & which cars didn't.
That would explain all the black paint on the top of the front valance-it would be absolutely impossible to get paint there if they were in the proverbial pit believed by many.
As a side note, I have many pictures of blackout on 69 F8 cars.
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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The pit theory is largely the result of the spray pattern. Looking at a 68-70 B-body lower tie bar, blackout's on the bottom & front, but not on the upper surface of the lip. Sticking a spray gun and its hose(s) through a grille opening would be difficult on some models, no? Perhaps the spray pattern & pressure was adjusted to blow through in a tight cone pattern, but I'd expect runs and thick "edges" with that.
I wouldn't expect the undercoat guy to do the blackout: a goof-up would be a real problem!
Hopefully, somebody somewhere has a photo of the blackout being applied, and this can be settled before it becomes a hostile argument.
We don't want anything hostile!!
I really appreciate all advice/comments - rumors whether they are true or false, it's still something I enjoy talking about.
I know this has been discussed here many times, and as I'm about to do my (F8) Coronet, I'd like to know what is correct whether I put it on there or not.
I'm leaning towards NOT putting it on there just for the fact that the paint really looks nice.
Thanks guys!!
Wally.
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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After researching this using my admittedly "less than scientific" methods, I've come to the conclusion that there are a great many cars that weren't "supposed" to come with blackout that did....too many IMO to chalk it up to someone "filling in" or assy line mistakes. The vast majority of F8 cars that I've seen have had the blackout. Possibly a plant thing or a change in procedure after a certain date, I don't know. What I do know is that if you have a Lynch Rd. '69 or '70 car in F8 there is a very good chance that it came with the blackout.  Dave
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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The pit is actually a myth, lots of cars have blackout on top of the lower horizontal surface of the radiator yoke.
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There was a picture in Mopar Action several years ago of a worker in the " pit" blacking out the radiator yoke. I seem to remember the picture being in E-berg's resto topic column. Anyone recall?
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Re: Behind the grille blackout question?
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There was a picture in Mopar Action several years ago of a worker in the " pit" blacking out the radiator yoke. I seem to remember the picture being in E-berg's resto topic column. Anyone recall?
Yes...
Seems to me I recall the car being yellow...
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