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Re: Airwolf heads
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You would think they should be 2 tenths or maybe a hair more better than well done eddies are... But until somebody throws a good car and combo under them to prove it, nobody knows.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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72 Dodge demon(his screen name) on here posted some times on a different thread. I think a 5.79 from a 6.01 with eddies and different camshaft . Maybe pm him. 
Also Streetwize is using some and has ran them.
Apples to oranges IMO.
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Admittedly my set won't be a good example until I get my combo closer to optimized with a bigger (higher lift) cam and larger tube headers....and that may be a while. Built the Rocky as a play toy snd not as a test bed. Not often I do it but I 'wanted' the Airwolfs to be able to assess them, not that I 'needed' them.
I bought them in anticipation of a larger 440" small block underway, anf they wound up being a couple hundred more out of pocket over the Shady Dell stage 2's I had and sold. I bought Bryce's actual Engine Masters Dyno motor article set.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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72 Dodge demon(his screen name) on here posted some times on a different thread. I think a 5.79 from a 6.01 with eddies and different camshaft . Maybe pm him.
Also Streetwize is using some and has ran them.
Apples to oranges IMO.
Very true. Will never know what just head swap would do.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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I don't have any apple or oranges but I like the the way the car runs. Haven't had any problems with them and everything bolted up. After the season is over I'll put in my old cam and find out.
Do you mind listing your engine and car details.
As accurate as possible. weight, gearing, trans type, headers, conv stall.
engine specs. comp, gas, special ring pac, vacuum pump, carbs, intake, fuel octane, ect, ect.
THANKS.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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It's a Pro Comp Electronics Chinese copy of an Edelbrock head... it has powdered metal seats 9not great for life under hard use & big spring pressures) ultra cheap Pro Comp soft bronze guides....
& then They get CNC'd with a very large Edelbrock port program & it magically becomes an "airwolf" head....
Do they make power? I'm sure they do.... so do really big port Edelbrock heads....
Is the castings & parts of a lesser quality? Yep....
FULLY ported W2 is going to make more power than the CNC Airwolf head.....
Have you considered running for office??
Fully ported W2's may make more power... and they weigh more, and they require offset rockers, and they require a new set of headers, and a new intake manifold.
The biggest advantage to edelbrocks over the airwolfs are, you can actually get them! 9 weeks as of now, waiting on a set of airwolfs, so if everyone is in the same boat I am, it's easy to understand why there aren't more on the track yet.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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It's a Pro Comp Electronics Chinese copy of an Edelbrock head... it has powdered metal seats 9not great for life under hard use & big spring pressures) ultra cheap Pro Comp soft bronze guides....
& then They get CNC'd with a very large Edelbrock port program & it magically becomes an "airwolf" head....
Do they make power? I'm sure they do.... so do really big port Edelbrock heads....
Is the castings & parts of a lesser quality? Yep....
FULLY ported W2 is going to make more power than the CNC Airwolf head.....
According to Dr J's they come with ductile iron seats, and they install their own valve guides.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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My heads have new ductile iron seats and guides that Bryce installed, I have no complaints at all with the quality and materials in my set of Airwolf heads.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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It's a Pro Comp Electronics Chinese copy of an Edelbrock head... it has powdered metal seats 9not great for life under hard use & big spring pressures) ultra cheap Pro Comp soft bronze guides....
& then They get CNC'd with a very large Edelbrock port program & it magically becomes an "airwolf" head....
Do they make power? I'm sure they do.... so do really big port Edelbrock heads....
Is the castings & parts of a lesser quality? Yep....
FULLY ported W2 is going to make more power than the CNC Airwolf head.....
According to Dr J's they come with ductile iron seats, and they install their own valve guides.
Im sorry guys, thats just a "copy/paste" of something somebody that REALLY knows his heads told me when I asked the same question.
Please dont kill the messenger!!!! 
I DONT HAVE A SET OF AIRWOLF HEADS AND I HAVE NEVER USED A PAIR IN ANY MOTOR.
I was asking around because after those magazine articles and all the hot press they have been getting they sure sound like they are the hot ticket on a small block. However when you ask around you get the same replies from all if not most of the other "head guys". True or not? I really dont know, and I also dont think anybody will know for sure until we see a few in service.
I dont know why this sounds a lot like the 440 source novel.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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It's a Pro Comp Electronics Chinese copy of an Edelbrock head... it has powdered metal seats 9not great for life under hard use & big spring pressures) ultra cheap Pro Comp soft bronze guides....
& then They get CNC'd with a very large Edelbrock port program & it magically becomes an "airwolf" head....
Do they make power? I'm sure they do.... so do really big port Edelbrock heads....
Is the castings & parts of a lesser quality? Yep....
FULLY ported W2 is going to make more power than the CNC Airwolf head.....
According to Dr J's they come with ductile iron seats, and they install their own valve guides.
Im sorry guys, thats just a "copy/paste" of something somebody that REALLY knows his heads told me when I asked the same question.
Please dont kill the messenger!!!!
I DONT HAVE A SET OF AIRWOLF HEADS AND I HAVE NEVER USED A PAIR IN ANY MOTOR.
Was that a quote from Jeff @ Modern?
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Re: Airwolf heads
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I ran a search for these heads and I came accross some threads in which Jeff participated, he kinda had the same opinion about these heads just like a couple other guys I asked for info. I am not calling any names though. Like I said, I dont have these heads on any motor, I havent even held em in my hands. On another note, I do have an engine running 440 source heads, rods and crank. It runs perfect. No issues.  I dont think a Callies crank, Oliver rods and Edelbrock heads were a necessity....so far!!! 
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Re: Airwolf heads
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I ran a search for these heads and I came accross some threads in which Jeff participated, he kinda had the same opinion about these heads just like a couple other guys I asked for info. I am not calling any names though.
Like I said, I dont have these heads on any motor, I havent even held em in my hands.
On another note, I do have an engine running 440 source heads, rods and crank. It runs perfect. No issues. I dont think a Callies crank, Oliver rods and Edelbrock heads were a necessity....so far!!!
That's what I thought. Jeff is very well respected within the industry. I wonder how these heads would hold up under boost?
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Re: Airwolf heads
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I ran a search for these heads and I came accross some threads in which Jeff participated, he kinda had the same opinion about these heads just like a couple other guys I asked for info. I am not calling any names though.
Like I said, I dont have these heads on any motor, I havent even held em in my hands.
On another note, I do have an engine running 440 source heads, rods and crank. It runs perfect. No issues. I dont think a Callies crank, Oliver rods and Edelbrock heads were a necessity....so far!!!
That's what I thought. Jeff is very well respected within the industry. I wonder how these heads would hold up under boost?
What I quoted was not Jeff's. It was straight from another reputable head guy.
But you can run a search on here and will find out what Jeff thinks about em.
I will stay away from this thread as I know ZIP about heads. You guys try em on and lemme know how they hold....I may then buy a set.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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My heads have new ductile iron seats and guides that Bryce installed, I have no complaints at all with the quality and materials in my set of Airwolf heads. Bryce may (someone should ask him and confirm) rather than speculate. I believe he told me he gets the raw castings and machines seats, guides and then does the CNC work stateside. I totally RESPECT Jeff, but you might want to confirm whether (or not) his comments were with regard to the STANDARD ProComp SBM heads or the Airwolfs  let's at least deal in confirmed information, not here say, fair enough? I get enough speculation and people going off 1/2 cocked at work, don't you?
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Re: Airwolf heads
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My heads have new ductile iron seats and guides that Bryce installed, I have no complaints at all with the quality and materials in my set of Airwolf heads.
Bryce may (someone should ask him and confirm) rather than speculate. I believe he told me he gets the raw castings and machines seats, guides and then does the CNC work stateside.
I totally RESPECT Jeff, but you might want to confirm whether (or not) his comments were with regard to the STANDARD ProComp SBM heads or the Airwolfs let's at least deal in confirmed information, not here say, fair enough?
I get enough speculation and people going off 1/2 cocked at work, don't you?
I dont need to confirm anything, as what I posted first above is a literal quote I got from another reputable head guy, not Jeff. I did not make that up, thats the info I got from somebody that constantly works with mopar cylinder heads for performance applications. I am posting it here because people are asking about the airwolf heads and that is the info I got someplace else. I suppose people want to know, so thats why I share what I have found out so far.
I am being 100% honest and stating thats what I have been told, but I DO NOT HAVE A SET OF THESE HEADS, AND I CANT CONFIRM ANY OF THAT.
Im just putting that here on the table for discussion, thats what a discussion forum is for.
If the information I posted is WRONG then I will be the first one that wants to know whats the TRUTH behind all of this, as I am also looking at these heads and I do have an interest in them, since they seem to be a great option.
Now, regarding [Email]Jeff@moderncylinderhead[/Email]
Please re-read and take note that Jeff DID NOT SAY WHAT I POSTED ABOVE. Jeff has NOTHING to do with those statements. And I wasnt implying that as well. Please make sure you go back and re-read.
What I said is that I did run a search here on moparts and stumbled upon a thread related to the Airwolf heads where Jeff made some posts....you can check out that thread here:
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1
And yes, I think it was when the Airwolf heads just came out and I think Jeff was basing all his commments on the Pro Comp heads, which are basically the cores that are used for the Airwolf heads.
So yes, it would be best if the guy doing the airwolfs could chime in on this thread and tell us about the guides, seats, valves, etc that he is using for the Airwolfs. And what kind of work he performs/corrects once he gets the procomp castings in.
I think we all know the castings are procomp, and Im sure we can have lots of opinions regarding the quality of the pro comp aluminum castings: porosity, core shift, stress relieving, machining, etc. since they cast heads both for the small block and big block.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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To the best of my knowledge there are three direct bolt on aluminum heads for small block Mopars. Standard Edelbrock, Indy modified Eddys ie. Indybrocks and the Chinese cast Airwolfs. I think the most interesting comparison would be between the Airwolfs and the Indybrocks since both appear to have a slight advantage over the standard version. Obviously it would be best to have equal levels of prep in order to have a fair comparison. Indybrocks do require rockers with greater offset than standard [ any standard big block rocker will work ], but since they come with rockers, shafts and 3/8 studded holddowns they can still be considered a direct bolt on. I would like to see what the hp/torque vs. cost ratio is for all three.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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W5 and Indy are direct bolt on as well.... Just take different rocker gear, as I believe the Indybrocks do as well
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Re: Airwolf heads
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This might clear some speculation up  Bryce Mulvey member Reged: Sep 28 2012 Loc: anaheim Ca Re: New AIRWOLF 220 Tested on a pump gas 408 [Re: moderncylinder] #7400930 - Sun Sep 30 2012 03:06 PM Jeff I do use a Procomp casting. They asked me to look over their first prototype and give them some input. I had them make some small changes to the core so we could put a really good port in our head. They aren’t as inexpensive as you would think… Keep in mind I install my own seat and guides. I would rather use the edelbrock casting but they are not going to change their head for just me. -------------------- Bryce Mulvey
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Re: Airwolf heads
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To the best of my knowledge there are three direct bolt on aluminum heads for small block Mopars. Standard Edelbrock, Indy modified Eddys ie. Indybrocks and the Chinese cast Airwolfs. I think the most interesting comparison would be between the Airwolfs and the Indybrocks since both appear to have a slight advantage over the standard version. Obviously it would be best to have equal levels of prep in order to have a fair comparison. Indybrocks do require rockers with greater offset than standard, but since they come with rockers, shafts and 3/8 studded holddowns they can still be considered a direct bolt on. I would like to see what the hp/torque vs. cost ratio is for all three.
Don't forget that the Airwolf head has provisions for a larger port area. My guess is that some enterprising individual is going to modify them in the future ala Indybrock and install an offset pushrod. If it can be done to Edelbrocks it can be done to these. If the price is right that could end up a very interesting development for the budget guy looking at a 410 to 440 ci engine. Especially since the Edelbrock SB Victor head has been relegated to the Mopar wish list.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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W5 and Indy are direct bolt on as well.... Just take different rocker gear, as I believe the Indybrocks do as well
I think mostly his comparison is about using standard intake, valve gear and headers as the W stuff does not and adds to the switch over cost.
Correct. But the post I quoted mentioned Indybrocks, which also take offset rocker gear that isn't factory type.
And besides, most anybody who desires to make any steam at all is going to buy aftermarket rocker gear anyhow if they run a cam that has any lift at all.
All these heads mentioned will bolt right up to a production block. The W5's do need little spacers and lots of goop under the intake, but that's a minor issue, and Mopar sells or did sell the little end spacers... They were real cheap
Regards intakes, who would run a stock one? So most aluminum intakes are similar priced anyhow.
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Re: Airwolf heads
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If you are like me I had everything already to run edel heads. I wanted a better head but didn't want anything else. I already had hughes 1.6 rockers and a Super victor intake. Why in the crap would I want to spend all that money again. I waited and called edel brock every week for six months trying to find out about the victor head. I'm running the airwolfs now. I have got more runs on them than most make in a year (At least seven passes every Friday night since April 1 plus test all of march on Sunday and 1 trip to Ohio Valley) haven't lost a valve guide or seat. When I get home I will give all the info on my motor. It is not a power house but was built by me in my garge not some small block guru or head builder( nothen fancy just a flat top 4" stroke hughes kit, off the shelf cam,a borrowed nitrous convertor and old dominator carp that my buddy gave up on)
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Re: Airwolf heads
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W5 and Indy are direct bolt on as well.... Just take different rocker gear, as I believe the Indybrocks do as well
I think mostly his comparison is about using standard intake, valve gear and headers as the W stuff does not and adds to the switch over cost.
Correct. But the post I quoted mentioned Indybrocks, which also take offset rocker gear that isn't factory type.
And besides, most anybody who desires to make any steam at all is going to buy aftermarket rocker gear anyhow if they run a cam that has any lift at all.
All these heads mentioned will bolt right up to a production block. The W5's do need little spacers and lots of goop under the intake, but that's a minor issue, and Mopar sells or did sell the little end spacers... They were real cheap
Regards intakes, who would run a stock one? So most aluminum intakes are similar priced anyhow.
Sorry this is long winded.
The Indybrocks do NOT have an offset style rocker. They use a standard 440 rocker, which is more economical than offset rockers that are more expensive. The standard intake and headers also work on the Indybrock. They don't call them the Indybrock anymore and think they call them aluminum t/a heads or something according to the new guy at Indy.
They are a great head, but I am not sure they have the potential of a w5. They top out at .600 lift and had a bit of a reversion issue somewhere in there.
As for making more power than an std edelbrock? I have a comparison. Went from ported eddies, to Indybrocks. Went from a 11.24@118 best to a 11.0@122 in only 2 passes with the Indybrocks. I didn't even track tune it yet. I also added 100 lbs of cage when I added the Indybrocks.
I think it's fair to say I gained 40 horsepower. It definitely made alot more with the Indybrocks.
3200 pound duster after the cage,
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(Pitsburghracer) Do you mind listing your engine and car details.
As accurate as possible. weight, gearing, trans type, headers, conv stall.
engine specs. comp, gas, special ring pac, vacuum pump, carbs, intake, fuel octane, ect, ect.
THANKS.
Nothing special 74 360 block .040 over with a Hughes 4" crank, H beam rods,diamond 51005 pistons(over 5 years old).016 deck height and a bullet cams roller 504000 275 at 50 duration .683 lift with 1.6 Hughes roller rockers. Crane roller lifters, Super victor intake, old 9375 dominator, custom headers and a preform distributor. Trans is a glide with a pro tree trans brake and a barrowed 5000 stall. It has 32x14 tire with 6.30 gears(I think. I can look for receipt if you want to know) in a 9". I should be able to run pump 93 but use 110 from the track. The car is a 97 tube chassis Avenger that weights 2340. Best pass so far is a 5.78 with 1.20 sixty foot at 118. From what I'm seeing racing cars faster than mine I have faster sixty footers and mile per hour but they have faster ets so I think it has more but I haven't had time to tune any more. I have it set to shift at 7400 and crossing the line around 7200 in the 1/8th
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Re: Airwolf heads
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The Indybrocks ARE offset. Stock small block rockers DON'T fit them
So one is required to buy some form of BIGBLOCK rocker to fit them because of the 150 offset they have that a stock small block head doesn't have
So if you buy Indybrocks you have to buy something you wouldn't have as a small block guy
And if you are using a performance cam you are going to end up with big block Harland Sharps or some other rocker, just like you would use on any quality build
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[Re: B3422W5]
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06/16/13 05:37 PM
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Not trying to go off-topic here, but did somebody say the rumored Edelbrock Victors have been back-burnered indefinately? Why can't somebody just re-make (or reverse engineer) a good quality last production run (the good one) W5? The Airwolf my is a great head for what I paid for the set I have, whether my particular combo will tap the full potential of them we'll see (my car is going over to the Daurity shop in a week to try to fit up the 1 7/8" TTI's for a start), but I do think they could be a good candidate to an offset rocker, not to just remove the pinch, but to allow the port to widen way out along the lines of the old pro-stock W2's. Probably could get 325-330 out of them at a still reasonable lift and maybe a proportionally larger valve. I'd been kinda out of the small block stuff for 20 yrs, got frustrated with all the poor MP quality control for a lot of that time. But I'm back into them now and it seems there's a lot of potential for the right casting to come along that allows for a true "mild to wild" built...I suppose something similar to how Indy approached the EZ/EZ-1. Also wish we could get dart or someone to cast a big bore 4 bolt 48 degree in the 1500-1700 range like all the Chevy/ford stuff that's out there. I think maybe the LS stuff is so good and so plentiful it's really overshadowing the whole aftermarket now.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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06/16/13 08:11 PM
06/16/13 08:11 PM
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I know for a fact the victor sb head is not dead. It got derailed for a bit., but it will be made.
"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: justinp61]
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04/14/14 02:02 PM
04/14/14 02:02 PM
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My rocky's got the Airwolfs but I have a low lift Broomstick cam that doesn't really take advantage of them. The 414 went a real easy 11.16 @ 119 in my 3000 lb w/d Rocky with a slow-n-easy 1.69 60' time. Same motor/drivetrain would likely go 10.70's at 123+ in my old Duster or Dart at the same weight even with the .585/.570 (gross, maybe .545/.530 net) 1.5 rocker cam. I like them but the Rocky's .65 Drag coefficient is not gonna show you the ET's they're capable of. I bought them since they were a net $500.00 upgrade from my old SDSS Ported eddies that were just a little too small port wise for the 440" I was planning.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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04/14/14 06:06 PM
04/14/14 06:06 PM
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Portage,michigan
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My rocky's got the Airwolfs but I have a low lift Broomstick cam that doesn't really take advantage of them.
The 414 went a real easy 11.16 @ 119 in my 3000 lb w/d Rocky with a slow-n-easy 1.69 60' time. Same motor/drivetrain would likely go 10.70's at 123+ in my old Duster or Dart at the same weight even with the .585/.570 (gross, maybe .545/.530 net) 1.5 rocker cam. I like them but the Rocky's .65 Drag coefficient is not gonna show you the ET's they're capable of.
I bought them since they were a net $500.00 upgrade from my old SDSS Ported eddies that were just a little too small port wise for the 440" I was planning.
Not real promising from the look of it( the airwolfs)
As an example I used to have a 3450 pound combo that went 10.74 with mildly ported eddies( peak flow 274@600) and a comp flat tappet that was 598/623 with with 1.6 rockers I used. This with a 727.
So with the airwolfs fully ported and in a 400 pound + lighter car and not running even the above ET, they seem down on power.
The above 10.74 was at about 124 with the small Tti step headers and muffs at 11.5 ish compression fwiw.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car
1.41 best 60 foot
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: B3422W5]
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04/14/14 07:10 PM
04/14/14 07:10 PM
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Oh I don't know about that, if I put the bullet .668 lift cam and an 8" vert behind this motor and then put it in my old 69 Dart I think it would be a much more fair combination to compare it to. The Rocky is just a play toy, it's got a 9 1/2" street converter in it and a low lift cam. I didn't intend for the Airwolfs to go on this motor....but I'm sure I'm not the only one on Moparts who'se changed plans before ...  good enough for me at this stage of my life is...well....good enough! The heads will be here if I choose to max them out someday...or not. As the combo sits they're really no better than the SDSS 2's I had on it, maybe not as good. But to me that's still better ( and a lot more fun ) than them sitting collecting dust like millions of dollars worth of race parts are all over the country in countless garages. I used to go wide-open, volume to 11 all the time. Now I find if I don't push it to the limit, I don't go as fast...but I also don't tear stuff up and I get to go out and have fun with my friends a lot more often. And I like that, a lot Si don't blame the heads just because I concieously chose not to test them to their limits....it runs so sweet I really don't justify changing the cam for the couple of tenths I'm sure is there. Heck if I want to go faster I can pull the tops and gate off the Rocky, maybe I'm just lazy....or maybe it's quick enough for me right now.  the only time I ever opened the hood was to show people what it had....never turned a wrench the whole week-end! And my reputation was made not for always having the quickest car, but it was made for always having the car you didn't want to bet against, cause it was always a lot quicker than it looked 
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
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04/14/14 07:28 PM
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That's kinda why I asked if any were being used on a track tested well sorted out race combo. Anyone could and can say well if I did this or I did that it would do this. Heck my 2850 pound pump gas (93) Duster ran 10.06@130mph last year with a 540 lift solid racer brown cam. I ported my Edelbrock heads in a hurry to get back out after my econo W2 heads cracked so they aren't anything special.
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Streetwize]
#1452345
04/14/14 08:28 PM
04/14/14 08:28 PM
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Portage,michigan
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Oh I don't know about that, if I put the bullet .668 lift cam and an 8" vert behind this motor and then put it in my old 69 Dart I think it would be a much more fair combination to compare it to. The Rocky is just a play toy, it's got a 9 1/2" street converter in it and a low lift cam. I didn't intend for the Airwolfs to go on this motor....but I'm sure I'm not the only one on Moparts who'se changed plans before ... good enough for me at this stage of my life is...well....good enough!
The heads will be here if I choose to max them out someday...or not. As the combo sits they're really no better than the SDSS 2's I had on it, maybe not as good. But to me that's still better ( and a lot more fun ) than them sitting collecting dust like millions of dollars worth of race parts are all over the country in countless garages.
I used to go wide-open, volume to 11 all the time. Now I find if I don't push it to the limit, I don't go as fast...but I also don't tear stuff up and I get to go out and have fun with my friends a lot more often. And I like that, a lot
Si don't blame the heads just because I concieously chose not to test them to their limits....it runs so sweet I really don't justify changing the cam for the couple of tenths I'm sure is there. Heck if I want to go faster I can pull the tops and gate off the Rocky, maybe I'm just lazy....or maybe it's quick enough for me right now. the only time I ever opened the hood was to show people what it had....never turned a wrench the whole week-end! And my reputation was made not for always having the quickest car, but it was made for always having the car you didn't want to bet against, cause it was always a lot quicker than it looked
Again.... That cam I ran wasn't even a roller, just a flat tappet. It was 560/585 lift with 1.5 rockers, although I ran it with 1.6's. That wasn't much lift either, especially allowing for deflection.
Just 119 doesn't seem impressive at only 3000 pounds. Those heads I am sure SHOULD have much better numbers up to .550 that those very mildly massaged eddies I ran had, not to mention the extra 450 pound weight difference.
Not trying to pick on ya at all. Just very underwhelming results. Your convertor shouldn't be having much if any effect on the MPH numbers.
The combo I am refering also made several 75 mile jaunts to US131 drag way to lay down those 10.70's... Heck that was 12 or 13 years ago now... Lol
I actually should have just kept that combo( bench seat, column shift, flat hood) instead of deciding to throw money at it to get in the 9's 
Last edited by B3422W5; 04/14/14 08:34 PM.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car
1.41 best 60 foot
6.54 @ 105.20
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: B3422W5]
#1452346
04/14/14 08:33 PM
04/14/14 08:33 PM
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Oh I don't know about that, if I put the bullet .668 lift cam and an 8" vert behind this motor and then put it in my old 69 Dart I think it would be a much more fair combination to compare it to. The Rocky is just a play toy, it's got a 9 1/2" street converter in it and a low lift cam. I didn't intend for the Airwolfs to go on this motor....but I'm sure I'm not the only one on Moparts who'se changed plans before ... good enough for me at this stage of my life is...well....good enough!
The heads will be here if I choose to max them out someday...or not. As the combo sits they're really no better than the SDSS 2's I had on it, maybe not as good. But to me that's still better ( and a lot more fun ) than them sitting collecting dust like millions of dollars worth of race parts are all over the country in countless garages.
I used to go wide-open, volume to 11 all the time. Now I find if I don't push it to the limit, I don't go as fast...but I also don't tear stuff up and I get to go out and have fun with my friends a lot more often. And I like that, a lot
Si don't blame the heads just because I concieously chose not to test them to their limits....it runs so sweet I really don't justify changing the cam for the couple of tenths I'm sure is there. Heck if I want to go faster I can pull the tops and gate off the Rocky, maybe I'm just lazy....or maybe it's quick enough for me right now. the only time I ever opened the hood was to show people what it had....never turned a wrench the whole week-end! And my reputation was made not for always having the quickest car, but it was made for always having the car you didn't want to bet against, cause it was always a lot quicker than it looked
Again.... That cam I ran wasn't even a roller, just a flat tappet. It was 560/585 lift with 1.5 rockers, although I ran it with 1.6's. That wasn't much lift either, especially allowing for deflection.
Just 119 doesn't seem impressive at only 3000 pounds. Those heads I am sure SHOULD have much better numbers up to .550 that those very mildly massaged eddies I ran had, not to mention the extra 450 pound weight difference.
Not trying to pick on ya at all. Just very underwhelming results. Your convertor shouldn't be having much if any effect on the MPH numbers.
The combo I am refering also made several 75 mile jaunts to US131 drag way to lay down those 10.70's... Heck that was 12 or 13 years ago now... Lol
IIRC a racer local to you or a buddy is running these heads, right? What has his experience been like?
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Re: Airwolf heads
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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04/14/14 10:41 PM
04/14/14 10:41 PM
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Phoenix, AZ
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I would have to think most people in the market for Edelbrock RPMs or Air Wolfs, aren't considering them for a max effort small block.
I've been a Big block guy for 33 years. I understand all the nuances, pro's and cons, to everything from OOTB Stealths to Eddie RPMs, Stage VIs, SRs,-1s,B-1s etc. But when the ported X heads cracked on my 389 small block, I had no idea which way to go.
I decided on the Airwolfs based on the criteria of re-using my headers, rockers, etc. The advertised numbers looked better than most of the numbers advertised by commercially available Edelbrock Rpms. My 428 dynoed at 615 at 6500 with a 600 lift flat tappet cam, and while it peaked at 542 ft. lbs. at 4900, it was over 500 from 4200-6400. I'm looking forward to putting that fat torque curve to work on the street!
I couldn't believe the amount of small block guys I talked to who had suffered multiple problems with W-5, and Indy castings, but seemed willing to deal with it for the power numbers they were getting. Likewise, I was shocked at the money some guys are willing to spend to run hard with W-8, and W-9 stuff, made me seem pretty spoiled with all my big blocks! I just refuse to give up reliability, so I tend to be conservative, hopefully in the coming months, and at Drag Week 2014, we will find out if I made the right decision.
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