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SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. #1443333
05/28/13 08:30 AM
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Good Morning Moparts,

On Saturday I was asked... well kind of was challenged by a good long time friend to enter my Demon in a Burnout contest in CT at a show in August. He has won every year he puts in. Here's some info on the cars, and how do those contest work? Rules? What is a winning formula using what I have?

He's running a heavy modified 440 4 speed in a 68 Dart with big sneakers outback(tubed- pro street look). 4.30 rear ratio. No juice or turbo.

I've got a roughly 380hp 71'340 with a LD340, Thermo quad, No juice or turbo, factory 340 manifolds with tti 2.5" exhaust (H-pipe) a 69'-833 low first gear box and 3.23 sure grip 8 3/4 rear with Cooper Cobra GT 225/60/15 all the way around. Please note: I don't want to hammer on or modify my car major to win. I've seen smaller cars win before over high HP monsters... How?

QUESTIONS:
Can I use a bleach sprayer and do I need to hide it? If not bleach, what else works for smoke?

What tires smoke the best?

Line lock a must?

Lot's of weight in the rear or as light as possible?


Thanks for the help.

Joe

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443334
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get a pair of old bias plys, the skinnier the better. Not sure about the bleach, that's cheating. Line lock helps w/ the 4 speed. I'd also add a rev limiter. I've only done one but I recall pedaling the car between 3k-4500rpm, I started in 1st and hit 2nd as soon as the smoke started (auto car) I kept on foot lightly on the break and tapped it when needed. Usually they have 2 catagories, most some and longest burnout


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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443335
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I'ld practice a bit.


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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443336
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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443337
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Who wins can be subjective , your friend may always win because of the cars looks , sometimes it goes by crowd response.


Definitely add a line lock that way you can pretty much sit there and spin till you blow the rear tires out and that is what usually wins , blowing the tires.

see if you can find a pair of bias ply snow tires , minus studs , I have allways found those smoke the best , or at least they have always left the best marks on the road


Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: JohnRR] #1443338
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Quote:

Definitely add a line lock that way you can pretty much sit there and spin till you blow the rear tires out and that is what usually wins , blowing the tires.






Don't forget trashing the quarter panels when the tires blow.


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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: feets] #1443339
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most of the time its nothing more than a popularity contest.

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: bonefish] #1443340
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I'd hate to back out, but its way better than larger than stock quarter panels and shredded steel. As for crowd appeal, yes he has that for sure. He's a local shop owner. For me, I just have to win to suit my ego but at what cost. A vendor of mine offered up a set of bias ply 15" from the late 60's mounted on a set of Eagle one rims. I bet if the tires had flames I'd win.

Please keep the idea coming.
Joe

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: feets] #1443341
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Definitely add a line lock that way you can pretty much sit there and spin till you blow the rear tires out and that is what usually wins , blowing the tires.






Don't forget trashing the quarter panels when the tires blow.




yes I have seen that a number of times , but that is what it takes to WIN

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443342
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Put some 276 gears in the car and get some wheel speed and you will make smoke.

4:30 gears suck for tire smoke imo. I'd leave it in hi gear and matt it until the tires or motor blows if you want to win.

BTW a "burnout contest" is really stupid to me, to each there own.

Learn to do one correctly in this with only a 1/4" of throttle petal movement. 1/8" too much petal and I over rev the motor hurting rods and valve springs. It only takes once for it to happen, toughest cars in all of drag racing to drive, including funny cars.




Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: Challenger 1] #1443343
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If you've got decent gear and some bias plies on the back just go 5K in second gear and dump it and jump on the brakes.

The burnouts that always impress me are ones where the car seems to instantly hit 6k and can hang the next gear and keep them roasting.

I've got a set of four of the old style coker bias ply redlines, G70-14s. I'm in Danbury/Bethel CT, one would need a tube but I'll sell them cheap, they're really just in my way. I'm not sure if I'd trust 50 year old tires to not shed a belt easily.


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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: GTX MATT] #1443344
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I'm surprised no one mentioned side pipes- when you dump the exhaust just in front od the rear tires angled back and out it definitely helps with the smok
show!!

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: radar] #1443345
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Never again for me,I got the best crowd reaction,heard the guys on the radio talking about how mine was the best then they announced first,second and third and I was none of them.

Oh well,the crowd and I knew who one but I watched them hand over the $500 to somebody else.

Mine was a radio show stunt so I guess fair didnt matter.


who is that guy?
Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443346
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Quote:

Good Morning Moparts,

On Saturday I was asked... well kind of was challenged by a good long time friend to enter my Demon in a Burnout contest in CT at a show in August. He has won every year he puts in. Here's some info on the cars, and how do those contest work? Rules? What is a winning formula using what I have?

He's running a heavy modified 440 4 speed in a 68 Dart with big sneakers outback(tubed- pro street look). 4.30 rear ratio. No juice or turbo.

I've got a roughly 380hp 71'340 with a LD340, Thermo quad, No juice or turbo, factory 340 manifolds with tti 2.5" exhaust (H-pipe) a 69'-833 low first gear box and 3.23 sure grip 8 3/4 rear with Cooper Cobra GT 225/60/15 all the way around. Please note: I don't want to hammer on or modify my car major to win. I've seen smaller cars win before over high HP monsters... How?

QUESTIONS:
Can I use a bleach sprayer and do I need to hide it? If not bleach, what else works for smoke?

What tires smoke the best?

Line lock a must?

Lot's of weight in the rear or as light as possible?


Thanks for the help.

Joe


Tell your friend that your going to pass on wearing out your tires to see if your car can make more smoke than his does on a burn out contest If your absolutely going to participate then buy a old set of hard tires, inflate them to 40 +lbs and start the burn out in 3rd gear, rev the motor up to 5000+ RPM and dump the clutch, then control the engine RPM with the throttle You might wnat to put a pair of 2x4 around the width of the front tire thread width to use as a poor mans lineloc Also start the burn out on the front edge of the water, not in the middle of the puddle


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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: Cab_Burge] #1443347
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Don't forget the oil squirter into the air cleaner! Nothing like a lot of oil smoke mixed in with the tire smoke.

Actually I think it's an entirely stupid idea, burnout contests in general.

R.

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: dogdays] #1443348
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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: JohnRR] #1443349
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I've seen several blow in a burnout and not all tear up the car. Basically burn them off. No way to really know who will win. If you had the coin the have tires that make colored smoke. Good luck. I've done Lots of burnouts. Lost my licence once because of one

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443350
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Go down to your favorite rent a car and rent a Mustang, get insurance and, bolt on old tires. Use someone elses car not your own. Just my

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Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: Digger73] #1443351
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Keep burning the tires until one blows out, resulting in the flapping carcass taking out your quarter panel, then keep your foot in it until your rims are glowing red. This is the kind of thing that wins burnout contests. Hint: at the burnout contest at the Car Craft Street Machine Nationals I went to last summer, none of the contestants had nice cars and the winners as picked by crowd applause were the cars that did carnage to themselves.

Re: SMOKEY BURN-OUT Help needed please. [Re: syleng1] #1443352
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The guys are right, it's not about the best burnout, but who has the best gimmick. Try pulling a dual pump windshield washer reservoir out of a Grand Cherokee, mounting it into the trunk, wire the pumps to a push button, and run the lines to the tops of the wheel wells. Fill it with a mix of Welch's Grapefruit Juice concentrate and water. You'll want to play around with the ratio to keep it as concentrated as possible, but not too thick to the point where it'll clog the pumps.

Mmmmm, purple grape flavored burn outs.


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