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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/17/13 10:57 AM
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Yes you could pull the head with rockers in place , but it would be a pain plus the head is going to lift off the block when the headbolts are loosened because some valves are open.
I use a coat hanger or the dipstick to hold the pushrods up on reinstall.
Thanks for the tips  what is the best/easiest way to pop out the freeze plug in the block? Can I reuse them? Just mentally preparing my parts order. So far assuming no head/block damage I am thinking 1)head gaskets, 2)intake gasket, 3)set of freeze plugs(if I can't re-use), anything else I am overlooking? I am hoping to start teardown this weekend after the Chicagoland Mopar Connection Show.
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/17/13 11:02 AM
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Why are you removing freeze plugs ? and no they are not reusable. There is an NPT plug in the side of the block , in the middle and about half way up between 2 freeze plugs , this is what you remove to drain down the block , draining the radiator usually only drains it down to the bottom water pump hole. You can take off the lower radiator hose and jack up the rear of the car as high as possible, this will drain more of the block .... 
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/17/13 11:06 AM
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Why are you removing freeze plugs ? and no they are not reusable.
there is an NPT plug in the side of the block , in the middle and about half way up between 2 freeze plugs , this is what you remove to drain down the block , draining the radiator uaully only dranins it down to the bottom water pump hole.
You ca take off the lower radiator hose and jack up the rear of the car as high as possible, this will drain more of the block ....
what he said... you can also jack the side of the car up you are working on, but then you will need a stool or something to stand on.
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/17/13 11:08 AM
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Why are you removing freeze plugs ? and no they are not reusable.
there is an NPT plug in the side of the block , in the middle and about half way up between 2 freeze plugs , this is what you remove to drain down the block , draining the radiator uaully only dranins it down to the bottom water pump hole.
You ca take off the lower radiator hose and jack up the rear of the car as high as possible, this will drain more of the block ....
what he said... you can also jack the side of the car up you are working on, but then you will need a stool or something to stand on.
Doh! I did not know there was a regular plug, I assumed it was a freeze plug, and we know what happens when you assume... thanks!
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/17/13 11:38 AM
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If they're stuck break em loose with a BFH hammer rap on a breaker bar/socket rather than a steady pull
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/20/13 11:06 AM
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Do not take the freeze plugs out, they are not reuseable and nearly impossible to replace in the car.
the threaded plugs may or may not come out, I have never taken one out, for any reason..put a drain pan under the car and leave them in. 
Thanks guys, I guess I need to decide if I want to go the drain plug route or the jack the back of the car up and drain route... 
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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Do not take the freeze plugs out, they are not reuseable and nearly impossible to replace in the car.
the threaded plugs may or may not come out, I have never taken one out, for any reason..put a drain pan under the car and leave them in.
Thanks guys, I guess I need to decide if I want to go the drain plug route or the jack the back of the car up and drain route...
jacking up the back of the car is less messy, when you pull the plugs they are going to spray all over the steering and K frame .Jacking up just remove the lower hose and direct it into your drain pan after you've drained the radiator.
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket or ???
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05/25/13 08:02 PM
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I'd bout be tempted to get a new bolt & torque it in & try it but with it bleeding compression between the 2 cyls as you originally stated I think it will have to come apart but I think I'd try it for a day just to see  . Wait & see what others say. Dont forget to pull the hex block drain plug on that side as draining the rad only lowers the coolant to the level of the lower block front 1&1/8" main coolant hole on that side & it will spill coolant out of the outer deck holes which are below that level into the cyls when you pull the head
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Re: 440 Compression Test Results-Head Gasket -Update
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06/09/13 07:58 PM
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ok, I finally got around to pulling the head, everything looks ok head/block wise, anyway to tell for sure without the machine shop route? I do not feel any ridges/depressions with my finger nail. There was a piece of head gasket missing between cylinder 2&4. Now for the litany of questions;
1) Head gasket was part number 8519PTI(8519PT1?), I believe it's a fel-pro, is there a better alternative? I believe my engine is .030 over.
2) Should I get new headbolts? If so which ones, ARP? If not, I have a set from an early 70's RV440 I tore down, can I just swap out one of those for the knicked/marred up one? Is there somewhere I can find a matching bolt to the set I have.
3) I have a one piece valley intake gasket (one giant gasket for both sides and valley), better alternatives? Existing one has the heat crossover I'd like to block that off, any reason not too? (car just gets warmed up every now and then in Winter, rarely driven). Car has Performer RPM intake and iron heads. Is there any setups to separate the valley tray from the intake gasket?
4) I'd like to order all the parts at once to redo both sides, my mental parts list is new header collector gaskets, header gaskets, head gaskets, intake gasket, carb gasket, possibly new headbolts (if necessary). Am I missing anything? Do I need any locktite or gasket sealer? (I know the header bolts need sealant since they go through into the coolant passages).
Pics to follow...
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and the clunk I heard on the ground. The valvetrain looks ok, the threads were a bit chewed up on the bolt but it doesn't look like it did any visable damage to anything.
