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Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: Mattax] #1416463
04/26/13 11:08 AM
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OT: An A-body t-bar is shorter than an B/E body t-bar.
Both length and diameter factor into the spring rate.
A b-body bar of the same diameter will have a bit lower spring rate.

On topic:
I don't know why you all are insistant this gentleman will be unhappy with his tbar upgrade considering his base and objectives. Take a look at the tires, rear springs and the types of use he has in his objectives. The tbars and swaybar selected will both noticibley reduce the roll he is experiencing. Could it be even higher roll resistance? Sure. But for his combination there are other places to make changes that ought to go with higher roll rate. Plus if some drag strip launches are part of the plan, which it seems to be, then staying on the soft side with the t-bars can be used to advantage.

For a good launch, 90/10 on the front shocks would a useful function. Not many companies offer that with an option to go back to near 50/50 for the street, so that will limit the options. On the drag race forum you may find some people who know off the top of their head. On the rear, it would pay to measure the shock length at reat and at compression and extended as it may not fall in stock parameters any more.

Finally, an alignment that is more favorable to the handling characteristics will make a difference too. Especially if you are going to modern radial tyres that tend to prefer a bit more negative camber than bias and cross-plies. This is true even for general use street tires like the BFG Radial T/A. Set the ride hieghts, a bit negative with the camber, and 2-3 degrees positive caster if you can, and then a very little toe in (static). The higher rear may make it harder to get even 2 degrees caster, but each car is a little different, just do the best you can.






FWIW I have found that the largest factory big block cop TBars (.96 or .98 I can't remember) work wonderfully on the smallblock version of the same car, and still play nicely with the largest stock swaybars and over the counter shocks. that spells convenience and doesn't break the bank

Yeah, it'll be a bit softer with a big block, but still will be fine to drive. I had the same thoughts about weight transfer. The last thing you want with big horsepower and tires is a car whose front-end won't move. In fact, from a drag race perspective, .96s are thick. it's all about striking a balance, and your personal expectations.

yes, you certainly will be able to feel and see the difference with .96s. No, you won't be winning any corner carving contests. and you may not care about that. I'd definitely try that 1.25" hollow swaybar from FirmFeel, that's on my own list of things to get. This is like "pick my camshaft" - thousand people w/ thousand answers


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Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: VincentVega] #1416464
04/30/13 12:33 AM
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I have. 0 98 tb on my 69 charger bb but have done all the other mods too many to list TBOXES with subfrm contrs was huge from auto rust techs. and h kiss front sway bar a pro to type bar I got from john h himself years ago !! IM now building a shock tower brace and my front is almost done LOL never . DAN is rite think about everything all working together bigger is not always better !! my car can hang with the best of them I followD a new vet to a car show thursday and WE TOOK THE OFF RAMP TOGETHER AND HE COULD NOT LOSE ME !!


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Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: sparcy] #1416465
05/12/13 01:30 AM
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Torsion bars are here, sway bar should be here on Tuesday. Will be a week or two at least before I install anything, work.....

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: Joshs68] #1416466
05/12/13 07:55 AM
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The amount or size of torsion bar required is directly related to how much stiffening has been done to the car including a welded up/reinforced K frame.

Project black n blue has a welded reinforced k frame and lots of welding underneath with hemi leaf springs, torsion bars with FF sway bars and qa1 shocks. It is lowered to the minimum ride height with no compromises and only uses a 26 inch tall 10 inch wide tire...and some how it eats SRT8 Challengers on the road course with ease...


Who is ahead of whom in the picture?????....
And btw both drivers are very good...

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: ThermoQuad] #1416467
05/12/13 09:36 PM
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Ive had subframe connectors on the car since 07. Always wondered about torque boxes. Can I put them on correctly without repainting the rockers? Or do they not weld there?

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: Joshs68] #1416468
05/15/13 01:24 PM
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FWIW, I get the same amount of front roll couple with .96 t-bars and a 1.25 s-bar as I do with 1.22 t-bars and a 1.125 s-bar. Same results, different formula.

Go with what you've got on order and if you don't like it, you can always change. I can appreaciate only wanted to update a car once, but in any activity where personal perception/feel are invovled, it may have to happen.

Heck, I sure most joggers have tried out a few different shoes in their effort and very few are still using the same shoes brand shoes they started with. Cars are no differnet, they just take a bit mroe effort to change than lacing up shoes.

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: TC@HP2] #1416469
05/23/13 11:46 PM
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Ok I put on the sway bar only so far and took a long drive. Nice noticeable difference. I hope to get the torsion bars on soon. Not much extra time working 65+ hours a week with 2 little kids... Oh well so far very happy w just the sway bar.

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: Joshs68] #1416470
06/02/13 02:10 PM
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did you get the bars on??? really wanting to know your opinion.

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: mcmopars] #1416471
06/09/13 11:36 PM
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No. I hope to this week. I want to coordinate with a front end alignment and it has been raining here a ton, almost every day and I am afraid of melting if it gets wet.... I hope this week.

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: Joshs68] #1416472
06/21/13 09:17 PM
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you need to stop what you are doing.this will ruin your car.i mean stop right now before it is too late.i will take this car off your hands before its too late.i will save you from all the headaches for an agreed amount of 10 k. i will be waiting for your reply.

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: mcmopars] #1416473
06/22/13 09:34 PM
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So. No update really other than a ridiculous amount of rain and lots of weekends with the kiddos. I am very glad I got this car done before we had kids, and they both like to go for rides. I will put the bars on eventually but just the sway bar made me very happy.
10 k would be a nice deposit!

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: Joshs68] #1416474
08/21/13 12:30 AM
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Tom Quad,

What size bar is on the Black N Blue Charger again?

I thought I had read .990" before but I see Firm Feel doesn't carry a .990" bar?

Re: looking for some suspension recommendations [Re: brads70] #1416475
08/22/13 11:33 AM
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I agree 100%. Go big or go home. You want to run with the bowties you have to go to 1.24's on a b or e body (1.14 on a body). If you want to ride like a Chrysler, buy one.

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