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Stick shift Leaf spring class #1406989 03/23/13 10:34 AM 03/23/13 10:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 728 mi usa O old yeller OP super stock
old yeller OP super stock O Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 728 mi usa	I'm trying to get MR Josh King to have a class like this for his events so I'm just making this post(my first sober post in years)to even see if there's a interest for it,...Since he has only two events the rules need to be simple and a class where most stick shift cars can fit in,...Heads up pro light or a instant green light, Has to be a FACTORY 4 speed, Motor only(no motors bigger than a 500ci)3200lbs for small block cars and 3400lbs for big blocks, Rear tires no tread width wider than 10.5's(no W tires)I'm just throwing this out there so don't beat me up to hard with your reply's...

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1406990 03/23/13 11:28 AM 03/23/13 11:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa S scatpacktom master
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Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: scatpacktom] #1406991 03/23/13 11:57 AM 03/23/13 11:57 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 794 SC Greg super stock
Greg super stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 794 SC	I really like the idea of a 4 speed class. I would say that you may have to open the rules up a little to get the participation a promoter wants to fill the class. I like the idea of a pro tree. You might want to index the cars or have them run a dial in. This would eliminate having the tire rule or the cubic inches. I would look at the rules that NMCA NSS has for 4 speeds except allowing just leaf spring cars. You will have to consider if caltrac cars would be eligible. There would be more cars if the rules would allow all 4 speed transmissions that are actuated by the clutch for all 4 shifts.

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: Greg] #1406992 03/23/13 12:31 PM 03/23/13 12:31 PM
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68LAR master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,013 South Park, Pa.	Quote: I really like the idea of a 4 speed class. I would say that you may have to open the rules up a little to get the participation a promoter wants to fill the class. I like the idea of a pro tree. You might want to index the cars or have them run a dial in. This would eliminate having the tire rule or the cubic inches. I would look at the rules that NMCA NSS has for 4 speeds except allowing just leaf spring cars. You will have to consider if caltrac cars would be eligible. There would be more cars if the rules would allow all 4 speed transmissions that are actuated by the clutch for all 4 shifts. 4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: 68LAR] #1406993 03/23/13 08:10 PM 03/23/13 08:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,551 baldwinsville new york A a493demon pro stock
a493demon pro stock A Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,551 baldwinsville new york	cal's are a leaf spring so they would be allowed.

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: a493demon] #1406994 03/23/13 08:32 PM 03/23/13 08:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,657 Fitchburg,Massachusetts MPerry Mopahts memba'
MPerry Mopahts memba' Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,657 Fitchburg,Massachusetts	I love the idea and it sounds like fun.I just don't have a 4 speed car.

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: MPerry] #1406995 03/23/13 08:35 PM 03/23/13 08:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	Would the leaf spring have to hold up the car? it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: scatpacktom] #1406996 03/23/13 08:40 PM 03/23/13 08:40 PM
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Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: cudaboy] #1406997 03/23/13 08:47 PM 03/23/13 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	I like the idea. Especially the idea of making it a stock wheel well size tire mandatory, like say a 10 x 29 max. No clutchless trans , nothing but a linelock allowed to stage with. Basically make it a drivers class, where making the car run the number is the goal. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: rowin4] #1406998 03/23/13 09:05 PM 03/23/13 09:05 PM
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old yeller OP super stock O Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 728 mi usa	Quote: Would the leaf spring have to hold up the car? 2 leaf springs and 2 factory style rear shocks,no ladder bars or 4 link cars,...just trying to keep this class fair and simple,trying to keep the guy with crazy money out of it...if a dude that does car shows and has a 4 speed and fits the rules and wants to row some gears he has a place,no index no brkt raceing....HEADS UP,pro light or instant green...1/8th mile...this way you will have to be on your game..theirs 2 ways you can do this you can power shift that #itch or granny shift it...oh chit sounds like the jack Daniel's is starting to kick in...lol

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1406999 03/23/13 09:52 PM 03/23/13 09:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: Would the leaf spring have to hold up the car? 2 leaf springs and 2 factory style rear shocks,no ladder bars or 4 link cars,...just trying to keep this class fair and simple,trying to keep the guy with crazy money out of it...if a dude that does car shows and has a 4 speed and fits the rules and wants to row some gears he has a place,no index no brkt raceing....HEADS UP,pro light or instant green...1/8th mile...this way you will have to be on your game..theirs 2 ways you can do this you can power shift that #itch or granny shift it...oh chit sounds like the jack Daniel's is starting to kick in...lol 1/8th mile is one of the reasons I quit racing my car I do it for fun and only pulling 2 gears is not much fun to me Take a look at the NSS rules and try to pattern your class proposal by using those rules as a guideline.I would just keep it at a 10.5 tire and as much engine as you think you can hook with a leaf spring car.What about a 2-step? Some stick races allow them and some don't I can race either way When you say "stock shocks" does that mean no adjustable units allowed Gus 7637665-mysavoy.jpg (23 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: scatpacktom] #1407000 03/23/13 10:02 PM 03/23/13 10:02 PM
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Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1407001 03/23/13 10:10 PM 03/23/13 10:10 PM
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Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1407002 03/23/13 11:32 PM 03/23/13 11:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,038 MN J JERICOGTX I Live Here
JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,038 MN	Quote: Quote: Would the leaf spring have to hold up the car? 2 leaf springs and 2 factory style rear shocks,no ladder bars or 4 link cars,...just trying to keep this class fair and simple,trying to keep the guy with crazy money out of it...if a dude that does car shows and has a 4 speed and fits the rules and wants to row some gears he has a place,no index no brkt raceing....HEADS UP,pro light or instant green...1/8th mile...this way you will have to be on your game..theirs 2 ways you can do this you can power shift that #itch or granny shift it...oh chit sounds like the jack Daniel's is starting to kick in...lol You could try this, but I bet you would be lucky to get more then 2 cars to enter. If you gave them 2 time trials each, both would be broke before eliminations. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: JERICOGTX] #1407003 03/24/13 01:05 AM 03/24/13 01:05 AM
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old yeller OP super stock O Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 728 mi usa	Quote: Quote: Quote: Would the leaf spring have to hold up the car? 2 leaf springs and 2 factory style rear shocks,no ladder bars or 4 link cars,...just trying to keep this class fair and simple,trying to keep the guy with crazy money out of it...if a dude that does car shows and has a 4 speed and fits the rules and wants to row some gears he has a place,no index no brkt raceing....HEADS UP,pro light or instant green...1/8th mile...this way you will have to be on your game..theirs 2 ways you can do this you can power shift that #itch or granny shift it...oh chit sounds like the jack Daniel's is starting to kick in...lol You could try this, but I bet you would be lucky to get more then 2 cars to enter. If you gave them 2 time trials each, both would be broke before eliminations. Jeff, I do have a lot of respect for you....your right about only getting 2 cars to enter...but your wrong about your last statement.

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1407004 03/24/13 02:19 AM 03/24/13 02:19 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	I don't see why a stick shift class has to be so restrictive with all kinds of rules. Make it a green light or pro tree bracket race so anyone can run. How are you going to tell if a guy's got a 440 or a 512?, take his word? What's the difference on a 10" tire to a 11" or leaf or coil over, 318 or 572. If you have everyone run heads up no one will enter anyways. At least make it a interesting race program for someone to watch. Make it stick shift race , run what you got and have some fun. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: rowin4] #1407005 03/24/13 03:03 AM 03/24/13 03:03 AM
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old yeller OP super stock O Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 728 mi usa	Quote: I don't see why a stick shift class has to be so restrictive with all kinds of rules. Make it a green light or pro tree bracket race so anyone can run. How are you going to tell if a guy's got a 440 or a 512?, take his word? What's the difference on a 10" tire to a 11" or leaf or coil over, 318 or 572. If you have everyone run heads up no one will enter anyways. At least make it a interesting race program for someone to watch. Make it stick shift race , run what you got and have some fun. SORRY BUT BRKT RACING HAS NEVER BEEN INTERESTING...BOREING YES...BUT NEVER INTERESTING!!...

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1407006 03/24/13 11:24 AM 03/24/13 11:24 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 794 SC Greg super stock
Greg super stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 794 SC	Bird, You of all peoples should know that heads up classes are tough enough with automatics and sticks together to get enough participation in an all motor class. Just ask Ben from Promax how many guys said they would attend the Muscle Street class and never showed. A lot of cars at the track should have fit that class but they didn't want to buy the required tire for a few races or they said they didn't feel they had a chance to win so why bother. I had a blast running that class and met some great guys that I am good friends with to this day. I love heads up racing but it is tough to get participation. In my opinion you have to open it up and just have an index class or dial in to get the participation and attract enough cars. It would be cool to have a leaf spring 4 speed class but I don't know if there are enough cars that will show up to make it viable and have a sponsor that is willing to back the class. I have a compromise that could work for everyone that wants to see or participate in a 4 speed racing class at the Monster Mopar races. Race an index or dial in, no tire rule, 4link, ladder bars, or leaf springs allowed. You can use a 2 step for launching the car plus the line lock if needed. On Saturday you can have a heads up shoot out. Have two classes if you want. Leaf spring cars can be one class and ladder bar and 4link cars can be the other class. You can have a class sponsor for the 4 speed class and if the class sponsor doesn't want to sponsor the heads up portion find another sponsor or everyone can put money in the pot just like a gamblers race until you get someone to sponsor the heads up portion. This would be similar to what the NSS racers has done before. They have a class sponsor and some guys wanted to see who had the fastest heads up car given the rules in that class. Opel engine shop out of Chicago sponsored the class and it is great to watch. I could see a promoter seeing the worth in having a class like this because the more cars you have the better it is for everyone and equals bigger payouts in the end if the class grows.

Re: Stick shift Leaf spring class [Re: old yeller] #1407007 03/24/13 12:07 PM 03/24/13 12:07 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	Quote: Quote: I don't see why a stick shift class has to be so restrictive with all kinds of rules. Make it a green light or pro tree bracket race so anyone can run. How are you going to tell if a guy's got a 440 or a 512?, take his word? What's the difference on a 10" tire to a 11" or leaf or coil over, 318 or 572. If you have everyone run heads up no one will enter anyways. At least make it a interesting race program for someone to watch. Make it stick shift race , run what you got and have some fun. SORRY BUT BRKT RACING HAS NEVER BEEN INTERESTING...BOREING YES...BUT NEVER INTERESTING!!... I look at it this way, I have ran class racing, i found that it was for the guy's with the big bucks, never had a chance winning that class. Ran index race's , if your car isn't running below the index so you can run the stripe , why bother, my as well throw your money out the window, you don't have a chance in hell to win one round more less the whole race. Bracket racing is just like class racing, you have a dial [ national record ] to run on, bracket racing is your cars national record [ what it runs ] It might be boring to you but with out bracket racing there wouldn't be any tracks open to do any racing except the big one for national events maybe , yes maybe. How boring would that be? it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

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