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What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? #1404097
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Seems like no one wants to even talk about it at Edelbrock. Has anyone heard anything?

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: b1dartsport] #1404098
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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: WHITEDART] #1404099
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I sold my W5 stuff in anticipation of this head finally hitting the shelves... I've moved on.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: J_BODY] #1404100
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The Edelbrock heads' concept seemed to me to be "a little bit of everything...but not enough of anything"

EX: 2.15" intake valves = GOOD for new motors but there goes the 'bolt-on swap' aspect. There needed to be something like at least a 2.05" or 2.08" standard option so people don't have to re-cut their pistons.

Offset W2 style rockers, probably would require offset lifters for a typical 59 degree roller and if it's a Hydraulic roller (like for a street/strip 416) do they even make an offset HR lifter? not full race but for a big cube moderate RPM dual purpose motor HR's are light years ahead of where they were 10-15 yrs ago.

Not sure what they would flow but...

Always seemed to me MP or someone should just recast a high quality W5 (W2 aluminum) or W8 casting with all of the corrections that would accept the present CNC programs and readily available manifolds. Why not make it easy

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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Streetwize] #1404101
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I'm sure there are a bunch of people who want to see a better 59* head that will flow some good numbers. I also dumped my W5s and had to fall back on some old W2s.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Blucuda413] #1404102
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The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: rck850] #1404103
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The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new.



The W5 was always considered to be an excellent head, port and design wise. What was always in question was poor castings and terrible metalurgy. If Edelbrock just copied them I'm sure the quality would be much better.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: b1dartsport] #1404104
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The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new.



The W5 was always considered to be an excellent head, port and design wise. What was always in question was poor castings and terrible metalurgy. If Edelbrock just copied them I'm sure the quality would be much better.




Shhhhh the Chinese may be listening and copy it like the ones Dr. J is selling that were copied off Edelbrock. I know you guys would never stoop as low as running that copied imported stuff.


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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404105
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The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new.



The W5 was always considered to be an excellent head, port and design wise. What was always in question was poor castings and terrible metalurgy. If Edelbrock just copied them I'm sure the quality would be much better.




Shhhhh the Chinese may be listening and copy it like the ones Dr. J is selling that were copied off Edelbrock. I know you guys would never stoop as low as running that copied imported stuff.


the in ching chong head can not be any crapper than some of the sb indy i have seen


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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404106
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Now on the serious side I was checking out some of the Trick Flow heads at the display during Last years Halloween Classic@ Norwalk Oh. One of the guys came over to talk and I asked him if they offered anything for Mopars. He said no and then asked me my thoughts on what area needed attention. As soon as I said we needed a head for a stock type Mopar small block that was capable of 300-330 cfm out of the box. As soon as I said that he called over 3 other guys working the booth. We all talked for almost an hour as the first guy had suggested to them the same thing. From what I understand Trick Flow is a spin-off of Summit Racing and is located right down the road from their Ohio store. The weather turned to crap after our talk and I didn't make it up to the display again but I would love to have a further discussion. They seemed very open to discussion on this idea.


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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404107
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That would be awsome! I run several versions of their Twisted Wedge Ford heads, and they work outstanding!


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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404108
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Now on the serious side I was checking out some of the Trick Flow heads at the display during Last years Halloween Classic@ Norwalk Oh. One of the guys came over to talk and I asked him if they offered anything for Mopars. He said no and then asked me my thoughts on what area needed attention. As soon as I said we needed a head for a stock type Mopar small block that was capable of 300-330 cfm out of the box. As soon as I said that he called over 3 other guys working the booth. We all talked for almost an hour as the first guy had suggested to them the same thing. From what I understand Trick Flow is a spin-off of Summit Racing and is located right down the road from their Ohio store. The weather turned to crap after our talk and I didn't make it up to the display again but I would love to have a further discussion. They seemed very open to discussion on this idea.




They are already in the works...for about 3 years now.
They want to release the BB head first, then the SB head. I've been working with them on some stuff since we're mopar guys AND a TF dealer. All I can say is don't expect it anytime soon...both heads are on the back burner till the economy turns around and they've exhausted all the other projects on the table.

One thing is for sure though...they won't release a head until it's a BOLT ON and MAKES POWER.

Brian


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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1404109
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Now on the serious side I was checking out some of the Trick Flow heads at the display during Last years Halloween Classic@ Norwalk Oh. One of the guys came over to talk and I asked him if they offered anything for Mopars. He said no and then asked me my thoughts on what area needed attention. As soon as I said we needed a head for a stock type Mopar small block that was capable of 300-330 cfm out of the box. As soon as I said that he called over 3 other guys working the booth. We all talked for almost an hour as the first guy had suggested to them the same thing. From what I understand Trick Flow is a spin-off of Summit Racing and is located right down the road from their Ohio store. The weather turned to crap after our talk and I didn't make it up to the display again but I would love to have a further discussion. They seemed very open to discussion on this idea.




They are already in the works...for about 3 years now.
They want to release the BB head first, then the SB head. I've been working with them on some stuff since we're mopar guys AND a TF dealer. All I can say is don't expect it anytime soon...both heads are on the back burner till the economy turns around and they've exhausted all the other projects on the table.

One thing is for sure though...they won't release a head until it's a BOLT ON and MAKES POWER.

Brian




The big block subject came up and when I started going from bottom to the top on the list they seemed a little bothered like they didn't know how well the market was covered. Go up the list yourself starting with a 267cfm flowing Stealth and you will know what I'm talking about. There is a void in the small block market.


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9.42@138.27

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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1404110
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The important thing is they are still working on it. Thanks Brian

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: b1dartsport] #1404111
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They should be on display at The MATS..



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Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1404112
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I gave up and bought some 59 deg W9's. Guides and seats installed, cnc'd chambers and into the bowls very lightly. Not impressed with 3/8" valve guides though. I mean, c'mon guys, you put 5/16" stems in the hemi and then stick 3/8" in everything else?? Regardless, those guides are coming out and 5/16" is going in. The valve job, while finished (won't be when I change guides), is on the small side. Calls for 2.150 intake valve, but the valve seat contact OD is 2.120, so I think some 2.125" valves will fit the bill nicely to help with the shrouding. I already know the chambers clear the 4.030" bore. I can actually open the chambers up every so slightly to also ease the shrouding. Will be interesting to see if the 18 deg valve pockets will work with these 15 deg heads or if I'll need to cut the pistons. I suspect the latter as the valve pocket looks barely big enough to clear 2.080" intake valve. I suspect I'll be learning a lot with this setup before it's running. Thankfully the crank isn't balanced yet so if I need to change pistons, that won't be an issue. As for the Trick Flow deal, that would be great. Hopefully the economy DOES turn back around.

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All I can say is the BB head will be first and then the SB head. Not my choice!
But it's what will happen. I've talked with 2 engineers there and provided detailed info including measurments on things they needed so I'm pretty sure they were'nt foolin' me

It won't be anytime soon though unfortunately...


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What will the TF BB heads be comparable to? Are they doing anything similar to the twisted wedge Ford heads for the Windsors? Would be neat if they did something different to help with valve shrouding (that's what I'm assuming why they moved the valves around). Any idea at all on how long it'll be, 2-3 years?

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1404115
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Don't know how they are gonna twist the valves and keep them on shafts seems a magnum head would be easiest and make the most sense any how.


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Who says they have to be on shafts? If they were a clean sheet design I'm sure there's plenty of other rocker arms they could use IE Ones already in the market for chevy ford etc. that could be used on a big block Dodge if they were designed that way

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