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What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? #1404097 03/17/13 10:36 PM 03/17/13 10:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania b1dartsport OP super stock
b1dartsport OP super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania	Seems like no one wants to even talk about it at Edelbrock. Has anyone heard anything?

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: b1dartsport] #1404098 03/18/13 12:13 AM 03/18/13 12:13 AM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,036 bean town ....Ca W WHITEDART master
WHITEDART master W Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,036 bean town ....Ca	In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's 5.07 at 133 at 2700lb

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: WHITEDART] #1404099 03/18/13 11:19 AM 03/18/13 11:19 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,202 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,202 aZLiViN	I sold my W5 stuff in anticipation of this head finally hitting the shelves... I've moved on.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: J_BODY] #1404100 03/18/13 11:46 AM 03/18/13 11:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,892 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,892 Weddington, N.C.	The Edelbrock heads' concept seemed to me to be "a little bit of everything...but not enough of anything" EX: 2.15" intake valves = GOOD for new motors but there goes the 'bolt-on swap' aspect. There needed to be something like at least a 2.05" or 2.08" standard option so people don't have to re-cut their pistons. Offset W2 style rockers, probably would require offset lifters for a typical 59 degree roller and if it's a Hydraulic roller (like for a street/strip 416) do they even make an offset HR lifter? not full race but for a big cube moderate RPM dual purpose motor HR's are light years ahead of where they were 10-15 yrs ago. Not sure what they would flow but... Always seemed to me MP or someone should just recast a high quality W5 (W2 aluminum) or W8 casting with all of the corrections that would accept the present CNC programs and readily available manifolds. Why not make it easy Last edited by Streetwize; 03/18/13 11:47 AM. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Streetwize] #1404101 03/18/13 11:57 AM 03/18/13 11:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,533 Alexandria, LA B Blucuda413 master
Blucuda413 master B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,533 Alexandria, LA	I'm sure there are a bunch of people who want to see a better 59* head that will flow some good numbers. I also dumped my W5s and had to fall back on some old W2s.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Blucuda413] #1404102 03/18/13 01:16 PM 03/18/13 01:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,385 Ohio rck850 pro stock
rck850 pro stock Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,385 Ohio	The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: rck850] #1404103 03/18/13 08:54 PM 03/18/13 08:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania b1dartsport OP super stock
b1dartsport OP super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania	Quote: The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new. The W5 was always considered to be an excellent head, port and design wise. What was always in question was poor castings and terrible metalurgy. If Edelbrock just copied them I'm sure the quality would be much better.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: b1dartsport] #1404104 03/18/13 09:35 PM 03/18/13 09:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA.	Quote: Quote: The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new. The W5 was always considered to be an excellent head, port and design wise. What was always in question was poor castings and terrible metalurgy. If Edelbrock just copied them I'm sure the quality would be much better. Shhhhh the Chinese may be listening and copy it like the ones Dr. J is selling that were copied off Edelbrock. I know you guys would never stoop as low as running that copied imported stuff. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404105 03/18/13 09:49 PM 03/18/13 09:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,044 Victoria, Australia Ian super stock
Ian super stock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,044 Victoria, Australia	Quote: Quote: Quote: The biggest question was just raised by streetwise. Why is the W5 not being made again? With all the new stroker cranks,new blocks and all the stuff available right now it just seems like Mopar is laying an egg on this. Edelbrock should have just bought the W5 templates and just recast the head instead of designing something new. The W5 was always considered to be an excellent head, port and design wise. What was always in question was poor castings and terrible metalurgy. If Edelbrock just copied them I'm sure the quality would be much better. Shhhhh the Chinese may be listening and copy it like the ones Dr. J is selling that were copied off Edelbrock. I know you guys would never stoop as low as running that copied imported stuff. the in ching chong head can not be any crapper than some of the sb indy i have seen 1.37 60 ft [email]6.0@113[/email] [email]9.57@141[/email] 408 glide 3550lbs new video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xvq3ZObywQE

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404106 03/18/13 10:03 PM 03/18/13 10:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA.	Now on the serious side I was checking out some of the Trick Flow heads at the display during Last years Halloween Classic@ Norwalk Oh. One of the guys came over to talk and I asked him if they offered anything for Mopars. He said no and then asked me my thoughts on what area needed attention. As soon as I said we needed a head for a stock type Mopar small block that was capable of 300-330 cfm out of the box. As soon as I said that he called over 3 other guys working the booth. We all talked for almost an hour as the first guy had suggested to them the same thing. From what I understand Trick Flow is a spin-off of Summit Racing and is located right down the road from their Ohio store. The weather turned to crap after our talk and I didn't make it up to the display again but I would love to have a further discussion. They seemed very open to discussion on this idea. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404107 03/18/13 10:55 PM 03/18/13 10:55 PM
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darndart member D Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 35 Minot, ND	That would be awsome! I run several versions of their Twisted Wedge Ford heads, and they work outstanding! 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci, Indy 360-2 230CNC. 72 Demon 340 4-speed 01 Ram Quad Cab 89 Mustang LX Boss 331,C4,HP76mm turbo, FAST EFI 86 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD 82 Capri RS 306, Fox Lake Stage 1 TW, N41, T5,etc.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1404108 03/18/13 11:45 PM 03/18/13 11:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Now on the serious side I was checking out some of the Trick Flow heads at the display during Last years Halloween Classic@ Norwalk Oh. One of the guys came over to talk and I asked him if they offered anything for Mopars. He said no and then asked me my thoughts on what area needed attention. As soon as I said we needed a head for a stock type Mopar small block that was capable of 300-330 cfm out of the box. As soon as I said that he called over 3 other guys working the booth. We all talked for almost an hour as the first guy had suggested to them the same thing. From what I understand Trick Flow is a spin-off of Summit Racing and is located right down the road from their Ohio store. The weather turned to crap after our talk and I didn't make it up to the display again but I would love to have a further discussion. They seemed very open to discussion on this idea. They are already in the works...for about 3 years now. They want to release the BB head first, then the SB head. I've been working with them on some stuff since we're mopar guys AND a TF dealer. All I can say is don't expect it anytime soon...both heads are on the back burner till the economy turns around and they've exhausted all the other projects on the table. One thing is for sure though...they won't release a head until it's a BOLT ON and MAKES POWER. Brian Brian Hafliger

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1404109 03/19/13 12:14 AM 03/19/13 12:14 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,203 PA.	Quote: Quote: Now on the serious side I was checking out some of the Trick Flow heads at the display during Last years Halloween Classic@ Norwalk Oh. One of the guys came over to talk and I asked him if they offered anything for Mopars. He said no and then asked me my thoughts on what area needed attention. As soon as I said we needed a head for a stock type Mopar small block that was capable of 300-330 cfm out of the box. As soon as I said that he called over 3 other guys working the booth. We all talked for almost an hour as the first guy had suggested to them the same thing. From what I understand Trick Flow is a spin-off of Summit Racing and is located right down the road from their Ohio store. The weather turned to crap after our talk and I didn't make it up to the display again but I would love to have a further discussion. They seemed very open to discussion on this idea. They are already in the works...for about 3 years now. They want to release the BB head first, then the SB head. I've been working with them on some stuff since we're mopar guys AND a TF dealer. All I can say is don't expect it anytime soon...both heads are on the back burner till the economy turns around and they've exhausted all the other projects on the table. One thing is for sure though...they won't release a head until it's a BOLT ON and MAKES POWER. Brian The big block subject came up and when I started going from bottom to the top on the list they seemed a little bothered like they didn't know how well the market was covered. Go up the list yourself starting with a 267cfm flowing Stealth and you will know what I'm talking about. There is a void in the small block market. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1404110 03/19/13 12:15 AM 03/19/13 12:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania b1dartsport OP super stock
b1dartsport OP super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania	The important thing is they are still working on it. Thanks Brian

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: b1dartsport] #1404111 03/19/13 01:42 AM 03/19/13 01:42 AM
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Chris'sBarracuda master C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona	They should be on display at The MATS.. Chris..

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1404112 03/19/13 02:55 AM 03/19/13 02:55 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV dodgeboy11 super stock
dodgeboy11 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV	I gave up and bought some 59 deg W9's. Guides and seats installed, cnc'd chambers and into the bowls very lightly. Not impressed with 3/8" valve guides though. I mean, c'mon guys, you put 5/16" stems in the hemi and then stick 3/8" in everything else?? Regardless, those guides are coming out and 5/16" is going in. The valve job, while finished (won't be when I change guides), is on the small side. Calls for 2.150 intake valve, but the valve seat contact OD is 2.120, so I think some 2.125" valves will fit the bill nicely to help with the shrouding. I already know the chambers clear the 4.030" bore. I can actually open the chambers up every so slightly to also ease the shrouding. Will be interesting to see if the 18 deg valve pockets will work with these 15 deg heads or if I'll need to cut the pistons. I suspect the latter as the valve pocket looks barely big enough to clear 2.080" intake valve. I suspect I'll be learning a lot with this setup before it's running. Thankfully the crank isn't balanced yet so if I need to change pistons, that won't be an issue. As for the Trick Flow deal, that would be great. Hopefully the economy DOES turn back around.

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: dodgeboy11] #1404113 03/19/13 03:00 PM 03/19/13 03:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	All I can say is the BB head will be first and then the SB head. Not my choice! But it's what will happen. I've talked with 2 engineers there and provided detailed info including measurments on things they needed so I'm pretty sure they were'nt foolin' me It won't be anytime soon though unfortunately... Brian Hafliger

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1404114 03/19/13 03:47 PM 03/19/13 03:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada WO23Coronet master
WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	What will the TF BB heads be comparable to? Are they doing anything similar to the twisted wedge Ford heads for the Windsors? Would be neat if they did something different to help with valve shrouding (that's what I'm assuming why they moved the valves around). Any idea at all on how long it'll be, 2-3 years?

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1404115 03/19/13 03:56 PM 03/19/13 03:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,424 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,424 Kalispell Mt.	Don't know how they are gonna twist the valves and keep them on shafts seems a magnum head would be easiest and make the most sense any how. I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: What happened to the small block Super Victor Head? [Re: HotRodDave] #1404116 03/19/13 05:17 PM 03/19/13 05:17 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Who says they have to be on shafts? If they were a clean sheet design I'm sure there's plenty of other rocker arms they could use IE Ones already in the market for chevy ford etc. that could be used on a big block Dodge if they were designed that way

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