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Gen 3 Hemi Build #1394731 02/28/13 11:52 AM 02/28/13 11:52 AM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE R Racer33 OP member
Racer33 OP member R Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE	After buying a couple junk yard 5.7 core motors i think i'm ready to start building my gen 3 hemi. My question is should i use my pre 09 heads or upgrade to the eagle head, I found new castings that can be delivered to my door for $750 for the pair. Plan is for a manley 392 kit with about 10.5 or 11 compression. drag pak intake and cam in the 230 to 240 duration range. So would the eagle heads be worth it compared to 1600 port and rebuild job on my existing heads?

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Racer33] #1394732 02/28/13 11:57 AM 02/28/13 11:57 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	the eagle head flows over 300 stock and will match up better to the drag pack intake. I just got a intake from Muscle Mike and it is awesome 7606832-1909_609440649069967_1478483911_n.jpg (157 downloads) Last edited by sixpackgut; 02/28/13 11:58 AM. Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: sixpackgut] #1394733 02/28/13 12:05 PM 02/28/13 12:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE R Racer33 OP member
Racer33 OP member R Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE	Glad you checked in sixpack. Moparnut426 said i should talk to you. Thats the intake i was thinking of accept i was thinking the shorter version. The head i was thinking of on from a 2010 ram 1500. Would that be the eagle head? The price for 2011 and new is about $100 per head higher. Any recommendation on where to get a cam? The only ones i have seen with more then about 220 duration are from hughes.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Racer33] #1394734 02/28/13 12:13 PM 02/28/13 12:13 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Um, that is the short version https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID= the Eagle heads are the 2009 a newer 5.7 heads I believe. There are a ton of threads on here, I suggest you start reading all of them Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: sixpackgut] #1394735 02/28/13 12:15 PM 02/28/13 12:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID= https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID= https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID= Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: sixpackgut] #1394736 03/04/13 11:29 AM 03/04/13 11:29 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Ray, Racer33 has dug through every single inch of gen3 HEMI info. Why is there such a limit on cam choices, Seems only Hughes really offers a good selection. Honestly I havent really dug through the cam choices, but Ive done a little, and looked through comp, Hughes, and kinda fizzled out from there How well do the stock lifters hold up to any performance upgrades? Is that an area of possible issues?

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build #1394737 03/04/13 01:30 PM 03/04/13 01:30 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: Ray, Racer33 has dug through every single inch of gen3 HEMI info. Why is there such a limit on cam choices, Seems only Hughes really offers a good selection. Honestly I havent really dug through the cam choices, but Ive done a little, and looked through comp, Hughes, and kinda fizzled out from there How well do the stock lifters hold up to any performance upgrades? Is that an area of possible issues? from what I understand, stock lifters are excellent. The cam choice problems could simply be that the arena for cams is similar to what the LS guys have. Ever hear someone say they run a TRex cam, ya well, I don't know what the hell that means either. Arrington, HHP, BES and there are a few others that specialize in modern hemi stuff and they support the LX forums and they probably do more homework on the new hemi's than Comp does. This is not to say you can't call up Porter and ask him to spec a cam from Comp for a new hemi Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: sixpackgut] #1394738 03/04/13 02:11 PM 03/04/13 02:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx A AlexP I Live Here
AlexP I Live Here A Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx	They run the stock 6.1 lifters in the drag pack cars out to 8000+ with no issues at all. They're a very good lifter. If you treat a hemi like an LS2/LS3, you will be way ahead of the game. Once you decide what piston you want, decide your cam from there. So long as you stay away from lobes like the XE-R, you'll be fine. My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin! 1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: AlexP] #1394739 03/04/13 02:50 PM 03/04/13 02:50 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	XE R? Not familiar with that, sorry to be ignorant, but I havent a clue on that one.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build #1394740 03/04/13 03:16 PM 03/04/13 03:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: XE R? Not familiar with that, sorry to be ignorant, but I havent a clue on that one. its almost T REX backwards. exactly what I mean Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build #1394741 03/04/13 07:18 PM 03/04/13 07:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land Moparmal master
Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Quote: Ray, Racer33 has dug through every single inch of gen3 HEMI info. Why is there such a limit on cam choices, Seems only Hughes really offers a good selection. Honestly I havent really dug through the cam choices, but Ive done a little, and looked through comp, Hughes, and kinda fizzled out from there How well do the stock lifters hold up to any performance upgrades? Is that an area of possible issues? Inertia Racing sell Crower grinds under there own branding....most are off the shelf fairly mild profiles...but they may have access to more race oriented stuff from Crower. 67 RO23 clone with 6.1 SRT Hemi and dual quads. Soon to have Drag Pak induction and Throttle body.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Moparmal] #1394742 03/04/13 07:26 PM 03/04/13 07:26 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx A AlexP I Live Here
AlexP I Live Here A Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx	I know it gets into names and wording that doesn't apply to the older mopar stuff. You'll see plenty of cams with the name being really prominent and the specs being treated as a minor detail. It's part secrecy and part marketing. You're not going to get cam cards for a lot of the really good custom grinds, nor will they even mention what lobe they're running. People are still treating these motors as voodoo. They're not. Are there any direct questions that I can answer for you? My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin! 1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: AlexP] #1394743 03/04/13 08:13 PM 03/04/13 08:13 PM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Here,s one.. Have you ever measured piston to valve for the SRT Max in a 6.1? I know what my Max Plus on a 110 LSA came in at...and its damn tight.. ....just wondering what the normal SRT MAX 112 LSA P-V measures up as?

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Moparmal] #1394744 03/04/13 09:15 PM 03/04/13 09:15 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN hemidup super stock
hemidup super stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN	Quote: Here,s one.. Have you ever measured piston to valve for the SRT Max in a 6.1? I know what my Max Plus on a 110 LSA came in at...and its damn tight.. ....just wondering what the normal SRT MAX 112 LSA P-V measures up as? How tight? Also heard some G3 engine builder's use as tight as .027" quench. Jerry Williams.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Moparmal] #1394745 03/04/13 10:30 PM 03/04/13 10:30 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx A AlexP I Live Here
AlexP I Live Here A Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx	Quote: Here,s one.. Have you ever measured piston to valve for the SRT Max in a 6.1? I know what my Max Plus on a 110 LSA came in at...and its damn tight.. ....just wondering what the normal SRT MAX 112 LSA P-V measures up as? I've not measured that cam, but I have measured a 219/223 in a 5.7/6.1 and a 223/227 in a 6.1. Both had at least .040 PTV. My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin! 1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: AlexP] #1394746 03/05/13 04:13 AM 03/05/13 04:13 AM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Mine is .068th on the intake side...110th on the exhaust...218/227 566/556 110 lsa Ive been told that is reasonable as long as I run good valve springs. Just curios what the std SRT MAX on a 112 comes in at......

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: AlexP] #1394747 03/05/13 10:58 AM 03/05/13 10:58 AM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE R Racer33 OP member
Racer33 OP member R Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE	My block is waiting in line at the machine shop now. It came from an 06 pickup. Are the plastic pugs in the valley available as replacement parts? If i have the block baked they will surely be gone. Should i just leave them and have it steamed?

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Racer33] #1394748 03/05/13 11:22 AM 03/05/13 11:22 AM
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Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 21,208 in a cattle trailer down by th...	You should be able to remove them. "Come get your wife" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Front and rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Guitar Jones] #1394749 03/05/13 11:36 AM 03/05/13 11:36 AM
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Racer33 OP member R Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 179 Norfolk, NE	I removed the bolts from the retainers and it doesn't seem like the retainers will come off without the plastic plug coming out and i'm pretty sure i cann't get the plug out with breaking it. Are they epoxied in?

Re: Gen 3 Hemi Build [Re: Racer33] #1394750 03/05/13 11:38 AM 03/05/13 11:38 AM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 21,208 in a cattle trailer down by th... G Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 21,208 in a cattle trailer down by th...	No, just an o ring IIRC. "Come get your wife" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Front and rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

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