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out with old headers welding new,pics #1385182
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and soon to be fender exit.I think life will be so much better working on things from re torquing the heads to starter.I have a ton of room on the side of the engine now also and the trans to get at the linkage,lines.I used my under chassis headers for 23 yrs[same set!]I reconnected with the welder[Larry Sakura] of my roll cage from 14 yrs ago who will weld my headers after i tack them together.The header kit is a Hedman 2.1/4".Anyways I just wanted to say how glad I am to not deal with the chassis header anymore.

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Re: out with old headers [Re: Clanton] #1385183
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other side.

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Re: out with old headers [Re: Clanton] #1385184
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I hear ya on the room available w/fenderwell`s but I`ve also heard they rob a good amount of power compared to a standard header................... Either way, guess you could just turn up the boost...........


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You say they rob power? too small of a header would also and is what i had.

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Re: out with old headers [Re: Clanton] #1385186
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You say they rob power? too small of a header would also and is what i had.


Maybe in your case it`s better can`t say for sure...............


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I am not talking about zoomies but I will have a collector on the ends.
like these but they are not mine.

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Re: out with old headers [Re: Clanton] #1385188
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NICE.............I would think you`d be fine.


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I hear ya on the room available w/fenderwell`s but I`ve also heard they rob a good amount of power compared to a standard header................... Either way, guess you could just turn up the boost...........




i suspect you might have been confused by those who say that hookers abody fenderwell headers cost them some power by having to long primarys,fenderwell headers are usualy alitle better since most of the time they can be made with bigger radius bends and less bends aswell compared to underchassies headers not always but usualy

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I hear ya on the room available w/fenderwell`s but I`ve also heard they rob a good amount of power compared to a standard header................... Either way, guess you could just turn up the boost...........




i suspect you might have been confused by those who say that hookers abody fenderwell headers cost them some power by having to long primarys,fenderwell headers are usualy alitle better since most of the time they can be made with bigger radius bends and less bends aswell compared to underchassies headers not always but usualy


Not confused just expressing what 440 Jim posted w/dyno results showing that there are better headers as far as power out there.............


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Re: out with old headers [Re: Clanton] #1385191
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I've used both types and sizes of headers on a engine dyno test, first set was a set of Hooker 1 7/8 fenderwells with 42 inch long primarys and 3.5 collectors, the second set was a custom set made by the dyno operator which ended up with 2 1/4 inch priamrys 25 inches long with a four inch collector. The motor was a 426 C.I. 9.5 to 1 compression ratio Max Wedge pump gas motor, the bigger pipes made more HP and torque from 4000 RPM up On your deal the bigger pipes will really help The first blower motor I assembled and dyno tested was a all aluminum KB 499 C.I. street Hemi with a 10.71 BDS blower and Fel Pro EFI, the headers where custom made for the car with 2 1/4 primarys, four inch collectrs and a full four inch exhaust with a H pipe and s set of Flow Masters on it That motor made 1300 +HP at 7300 RPM on the dyno Your pipes have some room to allow engine power growth


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I have picked up about .2 in the 1/8 so far with the headers posted above. That's over the hooker supercomps. Went from mid 6.teens to low 5.90's in the 1/8. Picked up a couple MPH as well. There not equal length and are 2&1/4 tubes. That's the last thing I have touched on the Valiant. Now I just race it!
I have another cam that's always a tenth faster then what's in it but have not stuck it in. I know it has a low 5.80 in it as it sits. All because of those headers.

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Thanks for the input.I did pick the 2 1/4 pipe so I have room to grow.I mocked the heads,intake to motivate me some.

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I made a rough template to guess at the fender hole,size.


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Re: out with old headers [Re: FastmOp] #1385195
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"I have picked up about .2 in the 1/8 so far with the headers posted above. That's over the hooker supercomps"

Fastmop what size were those Supercomps?

Thanks Mike

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Two inch with a three & 1/2 inch collectors. I think I measured 2x45x3.5 on the longest

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I've used both types and sizes of headers on a engine dyno test, first set was a set of Hooker 1 7/8 fenderwells with 42 inch long primarys and 3.5 collectors, the second set was a custom set made by the dyno operator which ended up with 2 1/4 inch priamrys 25 inches long with a four inch collector. The motor was a 426 C.I. 9.5 to 1 compression ratio Max Wedge pump gas motor, the bigger pipes made more HP and torque from 4000 RPM up On your deal the bigger pipes will really help The first blower motor I assembled and dyno tested was a all aluminum KB 499 C.I. street Hemi with a 10.71 BDS blower and Fel Pro EFI, the headers where custom made for the car with 2 1/4 primarys, four inch collectrs and a full four inch exhaust with a H pipe and s set of Flow Masters on it That motor made 1300 +HP at 7300 RPM on the dyno Your pipes have some room to allow engine power growth




Cab,what boost level with the 1071??


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I've used both types and sizes of headers on a engine dyno test, first set was a set of Hooker 1 7/8 fenderwells with 42 inch long primarys and 3.5 collectors, the second set was a custom set made by the dyno operator which ended up with 2 1/4 inch priamrys 25 inches long with a four inch collector. The motor was a 426 C.I. 9.5 to 1 compression ratio Max Wedge pump gas motor, the bigger pipes made more HP and torque from 4000 RPM up On your deal the bigger pipes will really help The first blower motor I assembled and dyno tested was a all aluminum KB 499 C.I. street Hemi with a 10.71 BDS blower and Fel Pro EFI, the headers where custom made for the car with 2 1/4 primarys, four inch collectrs and a full four inch exhaust with a H pipe and s set of Flow Masters on it That motor made 1300 +HP at 7300 RPM on the dyno Your pipes have some room to allow engine power growth




Cab,what boost level with the 1071??


I'm not sure what the boost levels ended up being with the new blower and Motech EFI, I was pulled off that project when it had a bad BDS blower and the Fel Pro EFI. That combination made 960 HP at 6500 RPM with 17 lbs of boost, we where not trying to make the most power then so we stop the pulls at 6500. There was issues with the EFI and the blowers not repeating from one run to another run BDS= Bad dang stuff


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Just picked up this stuff from my powder coat guy. He put the 2000* stuff on them cause they might get hot. I'll be testing them out real soon.
Post some progress pics as he gets them done.



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That looks nice! I just got my header kit today so I will be making some slow progress with that.

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Your car is going to pick up big numbers

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