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torque to yield bolts? #1381584
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been waiting for a month from jegs for magnum intake bolts.on back order.they are tty bolts,i have used ones,reuse?wait on new?

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381585
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its been my understanding that a fastner torqued to the yield point should be thrown away. additional torqueings will just stretch the fastner further reducing clamping force.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: lewtot184] #1381586
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any reason i need to go back to them?or use standard bolt?

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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381587
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i don't know why anyone would use them if there was an option.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381588
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I have never worked on the magnum 318s, but if the speed shops don't have them, then I bet no one orders them?

I'd surely install reg bolts if it was mine, what's to loose? You can still install the right bolts later if need be. I'd say screw it and use a reg bolt in the intake.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381589
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I have re-used tty bolts lots of times. You will know when you torque them if they are gonna do it. Re-use yours for now and then swap them out with new ones when they become available if you are so inclined.


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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: DaveRS23] #1381590
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Have you tried the dealer? We changed them all the time,the parts dept.use to stock them.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: Tech Instructor] #1381591
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Are you using a stock keg type intake? Or are they the same when swapping to the M1?

Rockauto has them for $26 for the set.
I just used a generic 96 magnum 5.2 for the search

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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: hp383] #1381592
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does anyone know why i cant use reg.bolts? magnum 360 using edelbrock rpm air gap intake ,if it matters.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381593
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does anyone know why i cant use reg.bolts? magnum 360 using edelbrock rpm air gap intake ,if it matters.




At only 12lbs I have reused mine many times.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: litngetr] #1381594
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When I replaced the Neon's head gasket the head bolts were TTY, the FSM laid out how they could be reused if they passed a visual. The visual was to lay the thread on a flat surface and if there was no gap between the thread "points" and the surface you could reuse them.

So I did and that head gasket eventually failed, so I sprung for new head bolts and yet another head gasket, all factory parts at this point, and no failures.

I would probably go with the ones from Rock Auto if it's in stock.


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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: Supercuda] #1381595
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thanks for the replys,ill find new tty they are cheap insurance

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381596
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Sorry to come in at the end but I think I need a crash course in tty bolts for Magnum intakes. I just bolted on a Procomp dual plane carb intake on my 360 Magnum yesterday. I used new bolts from the dealer because the originals had some rust pitting on a few that were by water jackets. I used the full set from the dealer. So, excuse my ignorance but why are you all making tty bolts seem so inparitive?? Is there something I don't know about the Magnums??

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: wedgepower] #1381597
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nope, not that I know of, and I've put 3 or 4 of these Magnum engines together. I usually clean up and re-use the stock bolts. if they're too corroded then I just buy new grade-5 bolts from the local hardware store. they only need 12 ft lbs of torque. if a bolt is TTY at only 12 ft lbs....that's some pretty weak/soft metal!

I never even used a torque wrench, I just use my 3/8 drive socket and grab it right over the top of the pivot point, and twist my wrist to tighten the bolts.

I've got a 100% success rate...no vacuum leaks, no coolant leaks, no oil leaks. and that's using the 2bbl M1 intakes and the stock kegger intakes.

so is it so critical? what are the odds of taking a true/false test (50/50) with 4 12-part responses, guessing blindly at each one, and getting a 100% overall score?


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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1381598
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Thanks!! I'm a tad sketchy on mine though, the book said torque is 45 ft/lbs and I had a feeling that was high. Made a couple calls to take a census of opinion and decided on 25. I'm sure it will be ok tho.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: wedgepower] #1381599
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Thanks!! I'm a tad sketchy on mine though, the book said torque is 45 ft/lbs and I had a feeling that was high. Made a couple calls to take a census of opinion and decided on 25. I'm sure it will be ok tho.




I'd tighten them until I feel them stretch, like all my fastners. I don't worry about torque on something like a intake manifold.

If you grab a torque wrench and decide to take them right to 25 ft lbs you are "driving" blind and are asking for trouble.

Got to develop a feel for tightening fastners.

Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: wedgepower] #1381600
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Be carefull overtorquing vertical-bolt intakes. Can cause head sealing and other issues.

I believe some Felpro magnum intake gasket kits come with bolts.


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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: mcmopars] #1381601
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TTY BOLTS HAVE THE PRIMARY BENEFIT OF DISREGARDING A TORQUE WRENCH WHICH GIVES A FRICTION READING. IN OTHER WORDS, THE BOLTS ARE STRETCHED A PREDETERMINED AMOUNT (DISREGARDING TORQUE WRENCH FRICTION READINGS... COMMON FROM THE THREADINGS) SO THEY ULTIMATELY PROVIDE EQUALIZED CLAMPING FORCE UPON THE GASKET AND CASTINGS (MORE EQUALIZED CASTING DISTORTION, IN PARTICULAR FOR CYLINDER BORES). THE OE SERVICE MANUAL SHOULD INDICATE IF THEY CAN BE RE-USED, AND IF YES, HOW MANY TIMES THEY CAN BE RE-USED. IF YOU ARE IN ANY DOUBT, SIMPLY REPLACE ALL OF THE TTY BOLTS EACH TIME FOR YOUR OWN PEAC OF MIND.

THERE IS A SIMILAR METHOD TO TTY -- AND THAT IS CALLED "TORQUE-TO-ANGLE" AND REQUIRES A SPECIFIC ANGLE GAUGE ATTACHED TO A WRENCH.

ALWAYS REFER TO THE OE SERVICE MANUAL TO DETERMINE IF THE BOLTS (TTY OR TTA) CAN BE RE-USED AT ALL.

I USED TO WORK FOR A MAJOR GASKET MANUFACTURER AND WE TAUGHT THESE NEW CLAMPING TECHNIQUES (CAME INTO THE INDUSTRY ~MID-80S) TO OUR CUSTOMERS.


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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: Mopar Mitch] #1381602
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I USED TO WORK FOR A MAJOR GASKET MANUFACTURER AND WE TAUGHT THESE NEW CLAMPING TECHNIQUES (CAME INTO THE INDUSTRY ~MID-80S) TO OUR CUSTOMERS.




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Re: torque to yield bolts? [Re: Challenger 1] #1381603
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I've done more than a few intakes without a torque wrench. Was just trying to be official with this particular build. Same kind of reason I hunted for a replacement head instead of using the one with cracks between a couple valves like everyone said would be ok lol.

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