Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Very nice! At some point I was going to look at adapting the Ford 5.0 system again, but coil on plug would be nice Does this system use a MAF, or is it speed density?
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Good write up!
I sold all of my carbs 8 years ago and went EFI. I am working on a new project and will likely adapt the LS1/7 system with HP tuner. There are several threads on the bullet with guys running this and getting 1100-1200HP with stock parts.
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Coil on plug and header clearance! Seems like custom headers would be required.
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Coil on plug and header clearance! Seems like custom headers would be required.
Look at the coils on page 1. They aren't really coil on plug. They have spark plug wires so shouldn't be an issue.
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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I'm building a 512 based on the B-block, with almost identical parts. - My research led me to the LS2 D585 coils WITH heatsink, these are supposed to give a much fatter spark than the other similar ones...? - I'm trying to get rid of the distributor by installing a cam sensor in the timing cover, but all details not sorted out yet. Keep up the good work!!
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Great info in this thread. Thanks for posting this information. EFI is something I really want to do.
How will this compare to a megasquirt system as far as ease of tuning?
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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01/27/13 06:45 PM
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Coil on plug and header clearance! Seems like custom headers would be required.
Look at the coils on page 1. They aren't really coil on plug. They have spark plug wires so shouldn't be an issue.
Thats correct...I should really call it Coil-PER-plug. One coil per plug....
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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I'm building a 512 based on the B-block, with almost identical parts. - My research led me to the LS2 D585 coils WITH heatsink, these are supposed to give a much fatter spark than the other similar ones...? - I'm trying to get rid of the distributor by installing a cam sensor in the timing cover, but all details not sorted out yet.
Keep up the good work!!
Those coils are supposed to be good too, I saw many sources saying those D585's were the way to go. Others saying the D581's that I bought were the best...like I said they are all pretty good, with the regular LS1 coils being the weakest of the bunch?
I've thought about the cam sensor behind the timing cover too....Please share if you get that worked out, it would be nice to get rid of the big distributer housing all together. After getting this running, I planned on trying to come up with something similar.
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Great info in this thread. Thanks for posting this information. EFI is something I really want to do.
How will this compare to a megasquirt system as far as ease of tuning?
I really don't know the Megasquirt software....so I can't really compare. I use the HPtuners software which is very intuitive and has great support on their website forums.
But...another great thing about using the LS PCM's is that instead of tuning it yourself (many people don't want to learn it or go through the trouble), you have the option of having one the LS tuners which are virtually everywhere (even mail order) tuning your car instead. Thats what most Chevy guys do....they don't all tune their stuff themselves, they have a tuner doing it. As a matter of fact, I have a shop that specializes in LS cars (and has built/tuned a car that recently won a fastest street car race by over 1/2 a second at a national event at Pomona and won won a Wally for their efforts) that is interested in providing tunes (even mail order) for LS PCM'd Mopars. Just to be upfront...it's my brothers shop...
Or those who want to tune themselves can buy the HPtuner Software for $499. Considering you pay under $40 for a PCM....it's a viable option.
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Just a question. Will that crank wheel not upset your crank balance?
Kevin
Thats a good question....I don't think those holes, that far out on the crank snout would affect balancing much considering all the oil slinging around on a crank, etc.
I've been running around for the last year with that pulley/reluctor on my car and certainly can't feel anything, but that doesn't mean much.
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Re: My 440 EFI- Coil on Plug & LS PCM ignition project
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Thats what i thought too... A quote from engine builder mag...
So what does this actually mean in terms of the forces generated inside an engine? An imbalance of only 1/4 oz. (7 grams) located four inches out from the center of the crank on a counterweight will generate a force of about 7 lbs. at 2,000 rpm. At low rpm, you would hardly feel a thing. But at 8,000 rpm, that same force would grow to 114 lbs. with every revolution of the crank. If this same engine had one ounce (28 grams) of imbalance, the forces generated would be multiplied by a factor of four, generating 456 lbs. of unwanted gyrations at 8,000 rpm! That’s enough vibration to rattle your teeth and pound the heck out of the main bearings. It’s also wasted motion that goes into shaking the block instead of spinning the crankshaft. Consequently, imbalance hurts horsepower as well as smoothness and engine longevity.
Curt
Awesome info though. Curious about the signal from the cam sensor unit though. Does the cam sensor pictured produce a compatible signal to function with the LS ECM? Looks to be a hall effect unit. Any idea the timing of the required cam signal in crankshaft degrees, Advance or retard? Thanks
Last edited by Curt; 01/27/13 09:13 PM.
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