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'67 440 with open chamber heads??? #1375389 01/25/13 12:59 PM 01/25/13 12:59 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 198 Chester, VA tobnHisglory OP member
tobnHisglory OP member Joined: May 2005 Posts: 198 Chester, VA	I just purchased a 440 from a 1967 Imperial. I was pretty excited since it was a 78,000 original mile motor. Checked the block casting date and it was 10567 so I was expecting 915 heads. I just got it pulled apart today and found open chamber heads. The part number is hard to read and needs more cleaning, but looked like 26438062. The closest I can find listed anywhere is the 2843904 listed as a 68 440 head. What's more, the ID pad is stamped D440, with 10 30 bellow that and a sideways A stamped to the right of it. Wasn't D a '68 block? Anyone have any ideas? Really bummed about it not being closed chamber heads... -Reggie tobnHisglory2000@aol.com Former Mopars: 73 Charger - 440/727, 68 D200 Camper Special 383/727, 67 Satellite, 71 Superbee, 73 RoadRunner,2009 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4 Current Mopars: 2005 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4, 73 Cuda FE5 318 manual

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: tobnHisglory] #1375390 01/25/13 01:03 PM 01/25/13 01:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	The 10-5-67 was a solid clue, 68 engine production started arounf the fifth or sixth month of 67... And yes D is 68... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1375391 01/25/13 02:14 PM 01/25/13 02:14 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 198 Chester, VA tobnHisglory OP member
tobnHisglory OP member Joined: May 2005 Posts: 198 Chester, VA	I keep reading that an A on the ID pad means oversized bores. But has anyone seen the A off to the right and stamped sideways before? Just seems odd that a '67 casting date 440 would have such a late assembly date and be stamped for a '68 model year but be found in a 67 car. -Reggie tobnHisglory2000@aol.com Former Mopars: 73 Charger - 440/727, 68 D200 Camper Special 383/727, 67 Satellite, 71 Superbee, 73 RoadRunner,2009 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4 Current Mopars: 2005 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4, 73 Cuda FE5 318 manual

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: tobnHisglory] #1375392 01/25/13 02:21 PM 01/25/13 02:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	The car is 46 years old, lots of stuff happens in 46 years... Maybe it had a piston come apart under warranty in 68... Maybe it had a rod knock in the 70's... Whatever happened the engine got swapped... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1375393 01/25/13 02:42 PM 01/25/13 02:42 PM
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dynamite pro stock D Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,444 NEW JERSEY	I have a 440 from a 1967 IMP and it has closed chamber heads...Just freshened it up waiting for warmer weather to install it..but it had smaller ex valves than my 906 heads..Can't remember the head numbers !!

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: dynamite] #1375394 01/25/13 02:43 PM 01/25/13 02:43 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: I have a 440 from a 1967 IMP and it has closed chamber heads...Just freshened it up waiting for warmer weather to install it..but it had smaller ex valves than my 906 heads..Can't remember the head numbers !! Should have 915 heads & the big valves are an easy upgrade.... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: tobnHisglory] #1375395 01/25/13 04:17 PM 01/25/13 04:17 PM
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dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Yup, bad assumptions...The D indicates a 1968 model year engine. The casting date is WAAAAAY too late for a 1967 model year car. Post the engine ID pad information, all of it, and any partial VINs that are stamped into the block. Engine got swapped at some point, or else the car really was a 1968. R. The heads are 2843906 casting nuber heads, otherwise known as "906 heads". They are what I'd expect to see. Now each head has a casting date somewhere on it, the last digit should be a 7 for the 1967 date of the casting. Last edited by dogdays; 01/25/13 04:21 PM.

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: dogdays] #1375396 01/25/13 06:36 PM 01/25/13 06:36 PM
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440newport master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,588 St. John's Newfoundland	Somebody swapped the motor or maybe the car is a 68. I don't think the average "mopar guy" on moparts knows what a 67 Imperial looks like.

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: 440newport] #1375397 01/25/13 10:08 PM 01/25/13 10:08 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Quote: Somebody swapped the motor or maybe the car is a 68. I don't think the average "mopar guy" on moparts knows what a 67 Imperial looks like. 67 Imp. Notice the lack of side lights. Kevin 7561351-67imp.jpg (45 downloads)

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: Twostick] #1375398 01/25/13 10:09 PM 01/25/13 10:09 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont	68 Imp has small square side lights. Kevin 7561353-1968_Chrysler_Imperial_Crown_4_Door_Hardtop_For_Sale_Rear_1.jpg (50 downloads)

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: Twostick] #1375399 01/26/13 03:30 AM 01/26/13 03:30 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 198 Chester, VA tobnHisglory OP member
tobnHisglory OP member Joined: May 2005 Posts: 198 Chester, VA	Thanks for the info guys. It wasn't my car so I can't check it all out now as well as I'd like. I decoded the fender tag (took a pic of it when I bought the motor) and it says '68. The owner said it was titled as a 67 and when I saw the '67 casting date I assumed he was correct. I'm still having a little trouble with the block ID pad as it seems a little different than the pictures/decoding diagrams I'm seeing. I'll try to take a picture of it tomorrow, but it looks like this: --------------------------- -D440 - - A - -10 30 - --------------------------- ...but the A is off to the far right side and stamped sideways. That's it. -Reggie tobnHisglory2000@aol.com Former Mopars: 73 Charger - 440/727, 68 D200 Camper Special 383/727, 67 Satellite, 71 Superbee, 73 RoadRunner,2009 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4 Current Mopars: 2005 Ram Quad Cab Hemi 4x4, 73 Cuda FE5 318 manual

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: tobnHisglory] #1375400 01/26/13 03:48 AM 01/26/13 03:48 AM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,012 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Thanks for the info guys. It wasn't my car so I can't check it all out now as well as I'd like. I decoded the fender tag (took a pic of it when I bought the motor) and it says '68. The owner said it was titled as a 67 and when I saw the '67 casting date I assumed he was correct. I'm still having a little trouble with the block ID pad as it seems a little different than the pictures/decoding diagrams I'm seeing. I'll try to take a picture of it tomorrow, but it looks like this: --------------------------- -D440 - - A - -10 30 - --------------------------- ...but the A is off to the far right side and stamped sideways. That's it. It's a 68 440 assembled on 10/30/67 , A means it is bored .020 oversize. For some reason many people confuse the casting date for the actual model year of the engine , while that may hold true for the majority it is not the rule.

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: JohnRR] #1375401 01/26/13 06:50 AM 01/26/13 06:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio	I had a 440 block that had a 12/65 date.They didnt come out till the 66 year.The block was cast at least 7 months before 66 production.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: therocks] #1375402 01/26/13 07:45 AM 01/26/13 07:45 AM
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maud mopar M Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 441 Maud,Tx	The 915 castings were used on '67 GTX and Coronet R/T HP engines. Most if not all other 440 equipped cars in '67 came with 516 casting heads, which are closed chamber but have smaller exhaust valves.

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: maud] #1375403 01/26/13 08:25 AM 01/26/13 08:25 AM
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BSB67 master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,314 Prospect, PA	Quote: Most if not all other 440 equipped cars in '67 came with 516 casting heads, which are closed chamber but have smaller exhaust valves. I don't think that is correct. Most 67 440s came with 915's, but the the non-hp version had the small exhaust valve. Last edited by BSB67; 01/26/13 08:26 AM.

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: BSB67] #1375404 01/26/13 11:28 AM 01/26/13 11:28 AM
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maud mopar M Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 441 Maud,Tx	I stand corrected, you are right. The 516's were used prior to '67. Sorry.

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: therocks] #1375405 01/26/13 12:39 PM 01/26/13 12:39 PM
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69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: I had a 440 block that had a 12/65 date.They didnt come out till the 66 year.The block was cast at least 7 months before 66 production.Rocky The model year ran August of 65 to July of 66 so a December 65 block would be right in the middle of the 66 model year production. Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: therocks] #1375406 01/26/13 06:16 PM 01/26/13 06:16 PM
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dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	Quote: I had a 440 block that had a 12/65 date.They didnt come out till the 66 year.The block was cast at least 7 months before 66 production.Rocky I owned a 6/65 440 block , came out of a 65 year car, IDONO??

Re: '67 440 with open chamber heads??? [Re: dennismopar73] #1375407 01/26/13 07:11 PM 01/26/13 07:11 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Model year and Calender year have nothing to do with each other. the 440 premiered with the 66 MODEL YEAR Chryslers. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

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