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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137483
02/13/09 12:19 PM
02/13/09 12:19 PM
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Dave
Dont even act like your gonna post pictures of that filter-this thread will get locked by the feeling police....
Hi Paul,
All joking aside, I cut open an NOS filter due to all the speculation about old, broken down paper internals, etc….. The filter element was like brand new! It is a composite material that is treated to filter and withstand harsh fluids such as gasoline. After some research, I found that as long as it remains in unused condition, there is no "stated" shelf life. The presence of a stable atmospheric air does not diminish the shelf life whatsoever. Let me know if you would like to see a picture comparing the internals of an NOS filter with a new fuel filter element. Thanks!
Dave, can you please post an exterior photo of the reproduction filter that you sell and the NOS filter. I could not find either on your web site.
Thanks
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: 70challrtse]
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02/13/09 12:52 PM
02/13/09 12:52 PM
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autoxcuda
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He's posted plenty of photos of the filter here on Moparts. Do a search.
Yes, please post that question in another thread. That  will jeopardize this thread.
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: 70challrtse]
#137486
02/13/09 01:14 PM
02/13/09 01:14 PM
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Aero426
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He's posted plenty of photos of the filter here on Moparts. Do a search.
I've already been there cowboy. I will restate the question...
In the lengthly (and now locked) fuel filter thread, there was conversation about, but not a photo of the REPRODUCTION filter that ECS sells at a lower price than the NOS filter with ECS labeling. That's the one I want to see. I ASSUME it is not the same one Totally Auto sells.
I could not find info on the ECS website, so I will ask again here.
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137488
02/25/09 11:23 AM
02/25/09 11:23 AM
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Aero426
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Hi Doug,
I will include a picture or two with some additional photos that we were going to post on the Valiant disassembly. The filters are not yet on our website. Sorry for the confusion!
DW
Thanks very much!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: Aero426]
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03/02/09 02:44 PM
03/02/09 02:44 PM
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restos just aren't my thing
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one of my friends has a 20,000 2dr survivor /6 70 swinger. B5 blue/black top/blue interior. It may be worth looking at if you get to Northeast ohio. PM me. By the way, it is for sale.
Restoring a car to look "only" as good as the factory made it is like getting a boob job for your wife and having the doctor make them two different sizes to seem more natural
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: Aero426]
#137490
03/02/09 06:44 PM
03/02/09 06:44 PM
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I hope this helps Doug. Here is a photo showing what we offer. (With the reproduction filter comes the correct stamping, NOS hoses and clamps. Only the filter is different in the mix of things.) I also wanted to show a picture of the inside of an NOS unit. I was "teased" about how the inside element must be a broken down inferior old mess. This particular person also remarked, "how could anyone trust one of these on their new engine rebuild"!?!?! Well, the "joke" is on HIM!!  The filter element is a resin coated material that is manufactured to withstand harsh caustic fluids. When I contacted the manufacturer, they claimed that the internal filtering element has an indefinite shelf life when kept dry! They are just as reliable as ones that are currently manufactured! Anyway I hope this ties a few of the loose ends up regarding these parts. Thanks! 
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: Troy]
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03/08/09 11:30 PM
03/08/09 11:30 PM
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Are we sure that nobody has been in there??
I'm questioning the wire and paint in the lower, right corner.....
Hello Troy,
I thought of you today as we were getting into some serious disassembly of the Valiant. Remember the trunk wire you had questioned? It turns out that it IS in fact the original wire AND the original wrapping. The wires went from two into one and the wrapping was simply thicker at the transition point. No breaks or splices whatsoever. I will post some really unique photos tomorrow on some of our findings. I also have pictures of the original rear glass with temper marks EVERYWHERE throughout the surface. It has the small inclusions where holding grippers (?) put indentions around the outside perimeter during it‘s shaping. Many hobbyist believe that original glass is void of the production “flaws” that are also present in the new reproduction glass. Original glass has been incorrectly perceived for quite some time. I will post pictures that document these characteristics/flaws in the 40 year old rear glass!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137494
03/09/09 11:12 AM
03/09/09 11:12 AM
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Hi Dave
Very cool!! This is way You never say "Always" or "Never" in the Mopar world.
Keep the pictures coming!!
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: Troy]
#137495
03/09/09 04:37 PM
03/09/09 04:37 PM
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: JulesdaWiperman]
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04/28/09 06:25 PM
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Dave,
after speaking with you today you just HAVE to post some pictures of that door jam screw you restored.
It's unreal. Pictures please !!
Jules
Hi Jules,
As I was telling you earlier, we have pictures showing original characteristics that I never knew existed on these cars.
Here is the picture showing the original VIN and the screw that is partially underneath the bordering clear cover. I was deducted for having a repo VIN on the Challenger so I needed to keep the original on this car. I was left with the scenario of having to detail the screw (and door latch) without removing it from the door. The factory placed the decal over the top door latch screw. I could not remove the screw without tearing the decal so I had to find a way to detail the screw to look new without removing it. (Keep in mind that almost half of the screw is behind the decal.) I took a very soft paper towel and folded it over twice. I made a pointed flat tip with the towel material and applied a metal polish on one side of the pointed flap. I then slid it VERY CAREFULLY behind the clear border where it had a void area due to the counter sunk metal that surrounded the screw. I positioned the paper towel behind the plastic VIN edge and applied a slight pressure to the outside plastic edge as I polished back and forth. After getting as much of the screw as I could, I used a small flat tip screw driver to back the screw out a quarter of a turn. I did this twice and was able to polish the entire surface of the screw. (A quarter section at a time.) I then used some prep solvent to clean the yellowing backside of the clear border on the VIN. Years of dust had accumulated on the sticky surface. After about an hour and a half of sitting and meticulously working on the small area, here was the result. Not a single bit of damage to the sticker and the screw looks like new! This is just one of the MANY new challenges we have had to work around in order to preserve the vehicle's originality while making it look unmolested and new.
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137500
04/29/09 12:20 AM
04/29/09 12:20 AM
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Dave,
after speaking with you today you just HAVE to post some pictures of that door jam screw you restored.
It's unreal. Pictures please !!
Jules
Hi Jules,
As I was telling you earlier, we have pictures showing original characteristics that I never knew existed on these cars.
Here is the picture showing the original VIN and the screw that is partially underneath the bordering clear cover. I was deducted for having a repo VIN on the Challenger so I needed to keep the original on this car. I was left with the scenario of having to detail the screw (and door latch) without removing it from the door. The factory placed the decal over the top door latch screw. I could not remove the screw without tearing the decal so I had to find a way to detail the screw to look new without removing it. (Keep in mind that almost half of the screw is behind the decal.) I took a very soft paper towel and folded it over twice. I made a pointed flat tip with the towel material and applied a metal polish on one side of the pointed flap. I then slid it VERY CAREFULLY behind the clear border where it had a void area due to the counter sunk metal that surrounded the screw. I positioned the paper towel behind the plastic VIN edge and applied a slight pressure to the outside plastic edge as I polished back and forth. After getting as much of the screw as I could, I used a small flat tip screw driver to back the screw out a quarter of a turn. I did this twice and was able to polish the entire surface of the screw. (A quarter section at a time.) I then used some prep solvent to clean the yellowing backside of the clear border on the VIN. Years of dust had accumulated on the sticky surface. After about an hour and a half of sitting and meticulously working on the small area, here was the result. No a single bit of damage to the sticker and the screw looks like new! This is just one of the MANY new challenges we have had to work around in order to preserve the vehicle's originality while making it look unmolested and new.
Dave,
All I can say is DAMN! Now that is what I call anal and I mean it in the nicest of senses. You certainly have a passion for cars.
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: anlauto]
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04/29/09 01:21 AM
04/29/09 01:21 AM
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How would a judge be able tell tell if you had a reproduction VIN decal?
Alan my man! Good Question. I can only speak for myself but I always display the original with my factory paperwork. That makes it easy for the Judges to tell the difference. If you look really close at the originals, some of them have areas that are lighter in various spots of the lettering. The ones we make look just about dead on but I can certainly tell the difference. Keep in mind that we are trying to keep every decal original. (Especially this one) It is certainly the most important decal on any Chrysler vehicle.
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