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Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body #1366524 01/08/13 05:19 PM 01/08/13 05:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto M mshred OP master
mshred OP master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	I know I am asking about comparing a 1-3/4 header to a 1-7/8ths header, but I am trying to determine which is the better route to go (especially considering TTi wants an arm and a leg for their headers) Do both headers allow: Changing of starter and removal of oil pan in the car? Ease of access to plugs and header bolts? This is for a street/strip automatic car...want to make the most power while still being easy to work on, and maintain decent ground clearance (car gets driven everywhere and I don't want to smash up a set of 500 or 600 plus dollar headers). If anyone has any pics of ground clearance or fitment in the car that would be great also! Not sure of the power differences between these headers?? I am assuming the hookers might make more power due to not being bent for tight ground clearance?

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: mshred] #1366525 01/08/13 07:01 PM 01/08/13 07:01 PM
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LAR_414 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	I ran the 1 7/8 Hookers super comp adjustibles on my stock head smallblock. They are great, BUT>>>>>..... the slip fit collectors do leak and after years, I got tired of the leaks. So I put TTI's on it. I LOVE THEM!!!!!

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: mshred] #1366526 01/08/13 07:23 PM 01/08/13 07:23 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	It makes a big difference what rpm you turn EDIT and ci Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 01/08/13 07:27 PM.

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: LAR_414] #1366527 01/08/13 07:28 PM 01/08/13 07:28 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	I can't comment on the hookers but I have had the 1 7/8 tti's on my street and strip car for a couple of years now and they have absolutely no road rash as they have great ground clearance.I can remove my mini starter without swearing and cutting my hands up. I am sold on the tti's,even at what they cost because you can't put a price on sanity 7538764-000_3946.jpg (239 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366528 01/08/13 07:31 PM 01/08/13 07:31 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	bottom pic 7538769-000_3700.jpg (245 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366529 01/08/13 07:36 PM 01/08/13 07:36 PM
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MIKES_DUSTER master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,146 Now - Port Orange,Fla. Former...	Not to high jack this thread but MoparClown....Can you post some pics of your engine compartment and specs on your motor??

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1366530 01/08/13 08:07 PM 01/08/13 08:07 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	Quote: Not to high jack this thread but MoparClown....Can you post some pics of your engine compartment and specs on your motor?? It was built on the cheap(all I could afford) as its a stock stroke 360 with a lot of port work done to the heads and they were also shaved but can't remember how much.It has a hyd. comp cams 509 lift cam with roller rockers.I shift it at 6200 and go thru the lights at 6400. 7538808-000_4029.jpg (179 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366531 01/08/13 08:09 PM 01/08/13 08:09 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	Pulled the crossram this past fall and put an M1 with a 950hp on it but have not made a pass yet,come on springtime 7538814-101_9228.jpg (212 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: mshred] #1366532 01/08/13 08:40 PM 01/08/13 08:40 PM
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Chris2581 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL	I had the 5204 Hookers on my old 69 Barracuda...go with the TTI's..The Hooker's hang down lower. Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: LAR_414] #1366533 01/08/13 08:40 PM 01/08/13 08:40 PM
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mshred OP master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Quote: I ran the 1 7/8 Hookers super comp adjustibles on my stock head smallblock. They are great, BUT>>>>>..... the slip fit collectors do leak and after years, I got tired of the leaks. So I put TTI's on it. I LOVE THEM!!!!! I don't think they make the 1-7/8 super comps anymore, but I could be wrong...How was the ground clearance with those headers?

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1366534 01/08/13 08:41 PM 01/08/13 08:41 PM
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mshred OP master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Quote: It makes a big difference what rpm you turn EDIT and ci 408ci, max of 7000rpms

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366535 01/08/13 08:43 PM 01/08/13 08:43 PM
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mshred OP master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Quote: I can't comment on the hookers but I have had the 1 7/8 tti's on my street and strip car for a couple of years now and they have absolutely no road rash as they have great ground clearance.I can remove my mini starter without swearing and cutting my hands up. I am sold on the tti's,even at what they cost because you can't put a price on sanity Thats good to know about the starter! I had always thought that they are in the way of the starter. Did you have dent any tubes, or shim the engine to clear the steering link with the headers? (those go above the steering link right?) One thing I am still trying to figure out is if pan removal is possible with the TTi's bolted on, or atleast unbolted but still in the car

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: mshred] #1366536 01/08/13 08:51 PM 01/08/13 08:51 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	Quote: Quote: I can't comment on the hookers but I have had the 1 7/8 tti's on my street and strip car for a couple of years now and they have absolutely no road rash as they have great ground clearance.I can remove my mini starter without swearing and cutting my hands up. I am sold on the tti's,even at what they cost because you can't put a price on sanity Thats good to know about the starter! I had always thought that they are in the way of the starter. Did you have dent any tubes, or shim the engine to clear the steering link with the headers? (those go above the steering link right?) One thing I am still trying to figure out is if pan removal is possible with the TTi's bolted on, or atleast unbolted but still in the car Did not have to put any dents in them and I have had power steering in it and now manual steering and I removed the power steering box with the engine in the car but had to unbolt the engine mounts and the driverside header but did not remove them.I did follow the provided instructions and lined the engine up and had to put a thin washer on the driverside mount to get it where it was supposed to be.I know that I can get my pan out without removing the headers but would have to unbolt them from the heads.

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366537 01/08/13 09:43 PM 01/08/13 09:43 PM
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skrews mopar Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 429 Washington	I've got the 5204s in my Duster, and had to shim the drivers side motor mount for steering box clearance. Another thing to think about is the quality. The Hookers have very thin flanges and tubing. Mine leak at the head flanges ( going to try Remflex or Percys this season ). Food for thought.

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: skrews] #1366538 01/08/13 10:38 PM 01/08/13 10:38 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	Quote: I've got the 5204s in my Duster, and had to shim the drivers side motor mount for steering box clearance. Another thing to think about is the quality. The Hookers have very thin flanges and tubing. Mine leak at the head flanges ( going to try Remflex or Percys this season ). Food for thought. Thats an excellent point as the tti's have great thick flanges and I have had zero leaks top or bottom and I have had mine apart a few times and reused the gaskets to boot.The only thing thats a bummer is the ceramic coating has not held up very good and mine has the thermal barrier coating on the inside,which looked good when I had them off and could see into the tubes

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366539 01/09/13 09:23 AM 01/09/13 09:23 AM
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DusterW2 top fuel D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,812 Portsmouth, VA	In my experience, the Hooker 5204 will not fit with the Milodon 7qt low profile oil pan. The TTIs will fit from the pictures I've seen. I have the 5204s with a MOROSO 8qt straight sump pan. The 5204s fit well on my 71 Duster 340. Both front tubes are separate from the rest of the header and make installation a little easier. Spark plug access is great since all the tubes exit the flange and go straight down. Have to use manual steering box and if you use column shift, might have to modify cross bar linkage. I have had mine since 1986 and had them aluminum coated. I don't believe Hooker makes the race 1-7/8 5303 units any more. They fit the Milodon 7qt pan. They were on Julie Morgan's '70 Duster in a magazine back in 1986, street shoot-out. Might try the Tubular Automotive 1-7/8" Fit well and do not have to disconnect the steering linkage to pass thru tubes. Tubular Automotive & Engineering Inc 248 Weymouth Street Rockland, MA 02370-1139 (781) 878-9875 John

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: DusterW2] #1366540 01/09/13 11:06 AM 01/09/13 11:06 AM
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babarracuda pro stock B Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,465 Carson City, NV	I have had both on my 67 Barracuda. The 5204's were a hastle and leaked at the flange. I now have a 410 with W2's and TTI exhaust. They were not easy to install because this old man put on PS. Tight but they fit. Quality is not cheap! My drag radials have a 13" section width. The Hookers were 10.5 X 15 anbd without mini tub and the right BS the tires rubbed the inner fenderwell 7539655-P1010002.jpg (156 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: babarracuda] #1366541 01/09/13 11:28 AM 01/09/13 11:28 AM
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babarracuda pro stock B Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,465 Carson City, NV	more pics 7539680-latest004.jpg (207 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366542 01/09/13 12:38 PM 01/09/13 12:38 PM
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Gabby63 enthusiast Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 354 Indiana	The exterior ceramic coating has come off of my TTI's also , for the cost we paid for them I am very disappointed in them , next time the engine comes out I will have to do something for that . Otherwise the header is great . Gary

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: Gabby63] #1366543 01/09/13 01:12 PM 01/09/13 01:12 PM
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sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	You dont have to dent any tubes on the ttis because they have already done it for you. And you can not remove the oilpan (atleast not milodon low prof) with drivers side header still in place cause one tube is super close to the pan and runs along it. I do not like the ttis very much but i think they are the best (off the shelf) out there.

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: sshemi] #1366544 01/09/13 05:28 PM 01/09/13 05:28 PM
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mshred OP master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Its looking more and more like the TTi's will be the way to go...and I think I will opt for them with no coating too as it seems everyones ceramic finish is pretty bad quality...I do like though that they tuck up nice, ease of access to spark plugs, and really shouldn't require denting...and I see no issue with having to unbolt the headers to remove the oil pan I called Tubular Automotive yesterday before making this post, and didn't include them in my question because I just wasn't interested in their product. Two sets of headers gaskets, totally slip fit, no real info about ground clearance, and no pics here, not to mention the price for them bare...I figured I would pass over those ones A member on another board was kind enough to take some photos and some measurements for me of the 5204's on his dart, and needless to say, they are VERY close to the ground, something I think would be an issue on my car that sees a TON of street use...Otherwise I would probably consider them over the TTi's for price alone- I just can't get over the price of the TTi's...I know they are a nice peice, but DAMN LOL Hopefully I can find a used set, although I highly doubt it...if not, I will just have to cough up the coin and lighten up my costanza wallet

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: mshred] #1366545 01/09/13 06:05 PM 01/09/13 06:05 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,688 W. Kentucky	I had the standard 1 5/8" to 1 3/4" step header on my Dart when the 340 was in it. As already mentioned the ceramic coating sucks and if your engine is not in the correct location they don't fit very well. For the 408 I bought Hedman Huslers with 1 7/8" tubes and 3 1/2" slip fit collectors. They have slip fit tubes and do show a little leakage in a couple places, but it's not anything you can hear. THey have thick flanges and fit very well. Each sice has one tube that goes through the fender well but for me it's a non issue. Ground clearence is great too. 7540150-headers011.JPG (516 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: justinp61] #1366546 01/09/13 06:07 PM 01/09/13 06:07 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,688 W. Kentucky	Hedman 75140. http://www.race-mart.com/Husler_Hedders-HSL-75140.html 7540155-headers014.JPG (275 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: justinp61] #1366547 01/09/13 08:48 PM 01/09/13 08:48 PM
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mshred OP master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Quote: I had the standard 1 5/8" to 1 3/4" step header on my Dart when the 340 was in it. As already mentioned the ceramic coating sucks and if your engine is not in the correct location they don't fit very well. For the 408 I bought Hedman Huslers with 1 7/8" tubes and 3 1/2" slip fit collectors. They have slip fit tubes and do show a little leakage in a couple places, but it's not anything you can hear. THey have thick flanges and fit very well. Each sice has one tube that goes through the fender well but for me it's a non issue. Ground clearence is great too. I was seriously considering the hedmann's over the TTi's, but I just can't bring myself to cut holes in my inner fenders...I just know it is something I will regret....otherwise I would spring for them over the TTi's and Hookers.

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: mshred] #1366548 01/09/13 09:08 PM 01/09/13 09:08 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	Heres a couple of pics from the bottom to give you an idea,sorry about the mess 7540386-101_9428.jpg (275 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366549 01/09/13 09:12 PM 01/09/13 09:12 PM
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moparclown top fuel M Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,922 canaan ct usa	2nd pic I can't wait for spring,I sure miss my car 7540392-101_9430.jpg (307 downloads)

Re: Hooker 5204's vs. TTi 1-7/8ths race headers SB a-body [Re: moparclown] #1366550 01/09/13 11:24 PM 01/09/13 11:24 PM
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darndart member D Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 35 Minot, ND	I ran the 5204's on my Dart for many years without any leaks of any kind. I could pull the mini starter without touching the header. I've got a freshly ceramic coated 5204's if you're interested! 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci, Indy 360-2 230CNC. 72 Demon 340 4-speed 01 Ram Quad Cab 89 Mustang LX Boss 331,C4,HP76mm turbo, FAST EFI 86 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD 82 Capri RS 306, Fox Lake Stage 1 TW, N41, T5,etc.

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