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welding trunk floor? #1356058
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I needed to get rid of the cheese floor but not all the way out so I want to patch in a lap weld edge so with all of the angles I figured I better ask for some tips.Thanks for any help I am using a 110 v mig/90Amp I think.

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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Clanton] #1356059
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This is how much I cut out to get started.

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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Clanton] #1356060
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I see a Dana....
My trunk floor in the 70 Charger looked similar to yours. I did just what you are doing...cut what is bad and replace only that. I also lap welded my donor floor panel.
I blended mine fairly well with careful grinding of the welds and some body filler. Regarding your welder, I have to mention that any flux core type MIG welder is inferior to a setup with gas/argon/C02.

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I am using 100% argon.I have to check the wire but it is .023 I think.

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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Clanton] #1356062
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My mediocre welding skills improved when I switched to the wire and gas combo... except overhead welding. The nozzle made it difficult to get the tip in close to the work. I often get welds dripping away from where I need it.
Not an issue when you are pointing down though...

Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Kern Dog] #1356063
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Back when I was in College and trying to do my 70 Charger trunk floor...I didnt have the luxury of buying a 2-piece pan for the trunk...I couldn't drop the 600 bucks for it...We had a scrap 67 Monaco...I cut the roof off....fit it into place...used my Miller Mig with Argon and put it in myself...came out pretty all things considering.

My entire trunk floor was GONE.

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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Pyper70] #1356064
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Finished...little dusty as she was being painted

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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Pyper70] #1356065
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I'm not a big fan of 100% argon for mig welding. Argon is primarily used for tig and is only recommended for mig when doing sheet metal. I think you'd be better of using a mixed gas ... C02/argon and if you do anything other than sheet metal it'll perform way better.

Lap welds are never pretty but suit yourself. Cut the new panel about 3/4" bigger all around. Finish the edges micely - both the whole and the new panel. Sheet metal screw it in place - about every 2". Now run a short bead on the edges in the middle of all the screws. Take the screws out and weld up the holes. All the screws prevent warpage. I wouldn't bother welding the whole perimeter - I'd just seam-seal it and paint.

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I'm not a big fan of 100% argon for mig welding. Argon is primarily used for tig and is only recommended for mig when doing sheet metal. I think you'd be better of using a mixed gas ... C02/argon and if you do anything other than sheet metal it'll perform way better.

Lap welds are never pretty but suit yourself. Cut the new panel about 3/4" bigger all around. Finish the edges micely - both the whole and the new panel. Sheet metal screw it in place - about every 2". Now run a short bead on the edges in the middle of all the screws. Take the screws out and weld up the holes. All the screws prevent warpage. I wouldn't bother welding the whole perimeter - I'd just seam-seal it and paint.



The screws are a good Idea and stitching at there placement,a box of 50 would be just right.


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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Stanton] #1356067
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I'm not a big fan of 100% argon for mig welding. Argon is primarily used for tig and is only recommended for mig when doing sheet metal. I think you'd be better of using a mixed gas ... C02/argon and if you do anything other than sheet metal it'll perform way better.

Lap welds are never pretty but suit yourself. Cut the new panel about 3/4" bigger all around. Finish the edges micely - both the whole and the new panel. Sheet metal screw it in place - about every 2". Now run a short bead on the edges in the middle of all the screws. Take the screws out and weld up the holes. All the screws prevent warpage. I wouldn't bother welding the whole perimeter - I'd just seam-seal it and paint.




I agree 100% with this....from the factory all the seams had globe of seam sealer everywhere too. So it will even look stock when you are done.

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what about the metal preparation?,weldable primer,metal cleaner?I have a hammer/dolley body kit and a small pliers bender,sm ballpeen hammer to work with and will keep the work as flat as I can but at the axle tunnel and trunk latch area I will need to be creative.


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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Clanton] #1356069
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When you weld the perimeter, what so you do to the bottom side. Seems like it would be a great place to collect water and rust. Do you seam seal that as well?

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You can try "weld thru primer" but its not as "weld-thru" as you might think. Since this appears to be mainly a race car I'd go to bare metal around the weld area, weld, seam-seal top and bottom then prime and paint. If its sealed so nothing gets in then rust forming shouldn't be an issue.

You can get creative with the metal forming ... anything works to bend metal ... 2x4's, tree stumps, welding bottles, etc.

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Thanks!I am going to use a wire brush and scale,degrime the metal and get it so I can work a little cleaner and start putting some cardboard to form a template for a final cut.


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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Clanton] #1356072
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Mike, If I were you, I'd remove that narrow piece between the 2 areas you already have cut out. There is a brace under that area, and you should be able to grind through the spot welds pretty easily to get the floor off and keep the brace. If you can weld in 1 large piece instead of 2 small ones, you will save yourself about 3 or 4 feet of welded seams...

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Mike, If I were you, I'd remove that narrow piece between the 2 areas you already have cut out. There is a brace under that area, and you should be able to grind through the spot welds pretty easily to get the floor off and keep the brace. If you can weld in 1 large piece instead of 2 small ones, you will save yourself about 3 or 4 feet of welded seams...

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exactly what I was gunna do.


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Re: welding trunk floor? [Re: Clanton] #1356074
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Eh...I was in College..never took any body courses. I had a Mig and Argon sitting in the garage, I didn't know how to arc. For the prep...I stripped down the panel to bare metal 2" on the perimeter on top and bottom. Primer coated it with a rattle can...Welded it in place, welded the cross frame underneath, sprayed the weld-to-primer solution. Spot welds first then went through and ran longer beads. When I was done I took MAPP gas and hit the "bouncy" parts with the flame and then poured ice cold water in to pull the metal together. Put Eastwood seam sealer on the whole whole thing. Raised the car up and sprayed Wesley's undercoating over the Eastwood Seamsealer and PPG'd everything else underneath. A vinyl mat sat over the trunk panels so no one saw the ribbing ...remember...college budget...Looking back...I would probably do it the same way again.


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I put together some dimensions.

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I got it cut and am making any adjustments now to the shape and marking where to clean to weld to.

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