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Looking for a GOOD Coil #1343140
11/29/12 10:37 PM
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guys, i'm looking for a decent aftermarket coil. prefer a "can" style one, like a stock coil. i tried the accell super stock coil. first one, was dead right out of the box.

second one lasted about 100 miles, and then decided to leave me dead, on the side of the road. had the old coil with me (the stock 1989 coil that came with the truck) and it fired right up, and took me to the parts store, where i gave them back their garbage. again. i have a nice smallblock, E3 plugs, firecore wires, nos tan cap and rotor. whats a good "hot" coil, that might offer more than 100 miles of service?


look below, for a pile of garbage.


"When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty"

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343141
11/29/12 10:50 PM
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Sorry for your misfortune as it's no fun to be stranded. I'm running an FBO black coil and an MP .25 ohm race ballast in a DD 318 65 dart. Starts instantaneously. It "seemed" to have more power when I switched from a stock '83 electronic ign coil/65 dart single 2 terminal ballast but it was close enough that it could have just been my imagination wanting/expecting it to be hotter but it does start instantly & has not left me stranded. The new coil has .8 pri ohms and the original ballast had 1.6 ohms so I'm sure I gained something


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Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: RapidRobert] #1343142
11/29/12 11:36 PM
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I put an FBO chrome coil on my Superbird with their box. The positive lug snapped on the coil.

This had never happended to me especially with a nut driver.

I have had problems with EVERY purchase from FBO.
Not to mention the arrogance.


1969 Hemi Charger R/T,
1970 Charger 472 Hemi 6 Sp
1969 Charger Pro Tour Project
1971 Barracuda Convert
1970 440 6pack Superbird,
1968 Fury I Police Pursuit 440 Super Commando 2 door sedan (Black/Blue)
1967 Barracuda Convert
1968 Barracuda Coupe
1972 Charger w 383
1972 Sebring Plus 440-6 Clone
1969 Coronet Pro Street
2009 Challengeer SRT8 stick
1992-1986 Body 2500 4x4 440 stick
1982 Ramcharger 318 Sniper- getting enhanced.
1997 Ram B3500 Van 5.9
1991.5 W250 Cummins- Big Chief
Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: 440PURSUIT] #1343143
11/30/12 12:23 AM
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so, what did you use, when theirs fell apart on you?


"When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty"

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343144
11/30/12 06:31 AM
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I've had good luck with MSD coils

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343145
11/30/12 01:28 PM
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I ran a stock style coil on the TT440 for a while. When I upgraded to a big MSD coil I saw zero difference in performance.



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Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: feets] #1343146
11/30/12 01:46 PM
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I just went through this on my ignition system. When you go to an aftermarket coil with lower pri resistance...this will actually DROP the amount of voltage it gets with the stock ballast.

I blindy replaced my coil with the MSD Blaster II and ran it but never checked the voltage it was getting which was only ~4V! This ended up translating to only a consistant 10-15kV at the plugs when I tested it! I had my car dynoed like this and I wonder if it cost me any HP/TQ?

Either way when the resistaance across the coil is dropped (aftermarket) it is much less in comparison to the ballast resistance so the balalst will "take the lion's share" of the voltage! In my case with 14V on the ballast, it dropped 10V and left only 4V for the coil.

This means, when you go aftermarket, asjust the ballast accordingly. I went to the .8ohm ballast and now I'm getting 7-8V on the coil and it gives me 35-40kV+ at the plugs all day.

Oh yeah, unless specifically designed for it, don't connect the hi side of the coil directly to battery with no ballast resistor. That is one way to cook your coil fast!

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343147
11/30/12 01:46 PM
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What ignition system do you have? That will help figure out the correct coil/ ballast to use.
I ran that same Accel coil for many years with an MP chrome box. I still have it and ran it on the dyno with a couple different boxes. It worked slightly better than the MSD Blaster 2 up to around 5000 rpm on a street engine. Maybe they outsource them now and the quality is no longer there?
You could run a Blaster 2 or 3 and never notice the difference,on a 310 hp engine it was barely noticeable.
Keith

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1343148
11/30/12 01:59 PM
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Get Napas best coil and it will be better than the "hi voltage coils" under 5K.

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: ademon] #1343149
11/30/12 02:54 PM
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Yup, I concur with what everyone else says. I had a stock coil on my RamCharger over 200k and no issues.

Also get rid of those E3 spark plugs. Complete snake oil and is probably actually doing more harm then good.

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343150
11/30/12 03:20 PM
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If you are looking for a 12v coil, I ran the FBO 12v coil for a couple of years with no problem. It is now my backup. I am currently using the MSD High Vibration coil #8222. You can mount it in any direction.


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Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: YO7_A66] #1343151
11/30/12 03:39 PM
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MSD coil, paint it black, and it will look really close to oem. Im running a MSD SS coil on everything I own, and FWIW they bite HARD!!

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1343152
12/01/12 01:18 AM
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Quote:

What ignition system do you have? That will help figure out the correct coil/ ballast to use.





Need to know what ignition you have?

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1343153
12/01/12 02:00 AM
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right now it's just the stock setup, with some E3 plugs and firecore wires. i'm getting ready to toss the computer, and switch it to a "real" distributor and ignition system. prefer a stock looking coil, and bracket mount. painting i dont mind.


"When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty"

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343154
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As already said...Get rid of the E3 plugs..they are garbage, and most likely the reason you are killing coils..

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343155
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If you have set the target a little higher for your car you cannot just buy a "good" coil.
A coil which is "good" in one envirionment may very well be "bad" in another environment.
You have to look at the whole system, as was indicated in some earlier posts.
For example, you buy a "high performance" coil. These require by nature high current. If your system/box/distributor cannot supply the current needed, the spark from your "high performance", expensive coil will be weak, and you have wasted your money.


Martin, 67 Charger, 512 cui, E85, MegaSquirt MS3X sequential ignition & injection
Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: meep_meep] #1343156
12/01/12 10:18 PM
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Quote:

As already said...Get rid of the E3 plugs..they are garbage, and most likely the reason you are killing coils..





i just put the e3 plugs in a couple of days ago. the coil fried before putting in new wires and the plugs. the guy that makes the wires said they are the ones to use. i'm going to take his word for it, he should know.


paint the msd black? isnt it already black


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Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343157
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I've never heard if a spark plug killing a coil

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343158
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The newer MSD Blaster 2 coils are junk!

The terminals are soft and break off/strip way too easily.

I was being careful and ruined my brand new one!

Went back with a cleaned up stock coil and no problems!

Re: Looking for a GOOD Coil [Re: Golden-Arm] #1343159
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Quote:

guys, i'm looking for a decent aftermarket coil. prefer a "can" style one, like a stock coil. i tried the accell super stock coil. first one, was dead right out of the box.

second one lasted about 100 miles, and then decided to leave me dead, on the side of the road. had the old coil with me (the stock 1989 coil that came with the truck) and it fired right up, and took me to the parts store, where i gave them back their garbage. again. i have a nice smallblock, E3 plugs, firecore wires, nos tan cap and rotor. whats a good "hot" coil, that might offer more than 100 miles of service?


look below, for a pile of garbage.




is this accel coil you have a "points" coil or the elect. ign. coil?

my buddys 89 truck ran like crap with a accel coil till I noticed it was for points not elect. ign.

got it on my 88-440 truck with a single points dist and it works great, nice blue spark on the plugs. orange/red spark on his truck.

the Big accel coil I have works fine also. but I have points bounce around 5200 rpm so the NOS accel points with 32oz spring goes in next.

I like to use a pertronix 40,000 volt chrome coil made to use a full 12 volts. mine has been mounted sideways for 15 yrs no problems.

sometimes the simple basic stuff is better than new high dollor stuff anyday.

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