Very low budget 440 hop up question.
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10/25/12 11:11 PM
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Posting for an older friend who doesn't use a computer. He traded for an '80s Dodge 2wd shortbed pickup and a 440 motor. He is going to put the 440 in the truck. It was partially dissassembled to check the timing chain when he got it. So, he's thinking he may put a little hotter cam in it while it's down that far. The motor is a '77 or '78 model so it's low compression. He's thinking of using one of the Summit cam and lifter kits since they seem to be the most economical. Not sure on the intake but he got an Edelbrock carb with it. He may have a cheap set of headers found for it also. It will have a stock 727 trans. So what cam do you guys recommend for this application? TIA, Dallas
2012 Rallye Redline Challenger, 1st new car! 2010 Ram 1500 4wd HEMI-hauler 2014 Dodge Dart-gas saver 4 projects and a bunch of parts cars, losing interest since buying the Challenger lol 1969 Dodge Coronet 500-'gonna fix 'er up someday!'
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Re: Very low budget 440 hop up question.
[Re: MOBodyman]
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10/25/12 11:19 PM
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RapidRobert
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small Summit cam , advance it 4 deg with the multiple keyway timing gear set, spend ALOT of time dialing in the dizzy
live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
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Re: Very low budget 440 hop up question.
[Re: GTX MATT]
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10/26/12 01:15 PM
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That is what is in my 72 Satellite no budget beater. Drove home a 75 D200 from the crusher. Motor ran great with no smoke. Come to find out it has a fairly fresh re-build on it. So took it down to the long block, putting all the car stuff on it. New main seals and such. Use a Comp 454 lift cam that I had laying around with lifters and matching springs. Pretty close to what came in a 68-70 440HP motor. Had a old Weiand manifold and Holley 3310 that I used. Bought a new set of shorty headers from a friend. 727 w/ stock convertor. 355 S/G. Runs great for what it is. Will smokem' through 2nd. Runs on mid-grade.
72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: Very low budget 440 hop up question.
[Re: Fury Fan]
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10/26/12 06:29 PM
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do a compression and leak down test before he soaks any money into it
Followed by an oil pressure check.
So many used-engine budget-builds start out with choosing speed parts instead of assessing engine health.
Read the spark plus too. Make sure you have a good foundation to build on.
72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: Very low budget 440 hop up question.
[Re: moparmarks]
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10/27/12 12:05 AM
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Thanks for the replies. I relayed all the info to him so he can decide what to do. The motor ran fine and isn't sludged up inside so it seems to be in good condition. It has the plastic coated timing gear so that may be original. The teeth look fine but the chain has a little stretch to it so he is definately going to change the chain and gear. The truck is just going to be a budget cruiser/toy but he can't put a lot of money into it. Thanks for the help, Dallas
2012 Rallye Redline Challenger, 1st new car! 2010 Ram 1500 4wd HEMI-hauler 2014 Dodge Dart-gas saver 4 projects and a bunch of parts cars, losing interest since buying the Challenger lol 1969 Dodge Coronet 500-'gonna fix 'er up someday!'
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Re: Very low budget 440 hop up question.
[Re: GTX MATT]
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10/27/12 08:52 AM
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If its not a crop-duster like most used 440's,
Not to get off topic, but whats the deal with that? I swear every used 440 has 300k + miles on it and never had the oil changed
Maybe i have just personally had profoundly bad luck with Mopar engines, but i have had a lot ov them, almost all big blocks, all original builds. I have obviously been around many many more, some rebuilt (nothing awesome by Moparts standards), some stock as well. I have just NEVER been impressed by a stock Mopar big block. Compared to the (almost as many) GM big blocks ive had and been around, they were junk. GREAT design for the most part... just put together badly and subsequently, they do not age well.
Ov course... build one, and do it right and all this goes out the window.
Funny... i dont think i've ever had a really high-mile Mopar big block either. Just over 200K probably the most. I've only had very limited experience with Olds or Pontiac, but i've had more than a few Buick 350's, 430's and 455's, and Cadillac 472/500's. They were all originals, yet still clean and smooth.
Heh... now i hate to admit this next one, but i've had but one small block Chevy in my life... came stock in my 71 LeMans. That car was 100% original, never rebuilt, and the engine had well over 300000 miles on it. Ran smooth, didn't smoke, didn't burn much oil. Even made decent power for what it was. I HATE SBC's... but dammit... that was just a damn good engine. Compare that to the half-dozen 340's i've had and not ONE didn't shake, and again, most burned oil.
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Re: Very low budget 440 hop up question.
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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10/27/12 09:26 AM
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I HATE SBC's... but dammit... that was just a damn good engine.
Agreed, the most boring engine ever...but they are popular for a reason....
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