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Re: Down on Power [Re: moparguy7074] #1312218
09/29/12 10:25 AM
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Possible that the big tires, 4.10 gear, and glide are hurting your times? IMO you need more gear.




Gear maybe , other stuff .....not so much.

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Re: Down on Power [Re: camastomcat] #1312219
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I would go with more stall like 5800-6000, less timing, like 32*, stock jetting 92's square and start there. Like one guy said, you may need a 456, but I think 8's are in your future with the right tune up.




Carb was used and set up on the dyno as was the timing ......saw it myself .

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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312220
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Check the ignition timing. Try rolling the wires in the trigger. Go with the way that gives you the most timing.

Your corrected HP is 880. Appears you actual HP on dyno was 817. This could account for the bad MPH. 139 MPH it just aint seeing any HP.

You are not going to set the world on fire with a Powerglide in that car unless you get everything dead on. You need to be in the 7,300 RPM at the finish line. The car should be in the upper 140's to over 150 when everything is good and in good air. I would want more gear probably a 4.88. This will help tremendously. Put some gear in that car and check the dumb stuff and you will be on your way.

Also judging from your dyno numbers. There was 50 HP in the altitude correction. So when you actually run in good air you may need more jet. Bad air less. Best thing is to jet for peak MPH. Don't worry about the other numbers. Go up 2 front and back. If it slows down start going down. Keep going til it runs it's best. Then go up 1 for a little insurance.

Leon

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Re: Down on Power [Re: Leon441] #1312221
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what rpm you crossing the line at

Re: Down on Power [Re: Leon441] #1312222
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A happy dyno Is a proud dyno!!
800+ hp at the crank = @ 700 @ the wheel!
acting like it is down by 150 hp at the wheel!!
maybe the brakes are dragging??
or the trans went south
what is the trap rpm?? 6800??

410- to- 456s wont do much for ya, a little yes, not no sec tho!!

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Re: Down on Power [Re: dennismopar73] #1312223
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What do you have for jets and what is the finish line RPM? The peak tourque looks to be at 5500 so I would want a 9" converter at 300 over that, and where was the timing on the dyno? Is the converter able to be be efficient at the finish line? Did you move it around? I too think a 456 or more gear would help, but maybe a 10th, and it should pick up more with the tune up. I don't think 870HP is anywhere near an 8.50 in a 3000# car. 8.80-8.90@ around 148-150 would be my guess. JMO these are the questions you need to answer.

Re: Down on Power [Re: camastomcat] #1312224
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My iron-head 440 has cracked the 1.3's in 60 ft. I would run 4.88 rear gear and 2.20 powerglide 1st gear in that beast and let it eat.

Re: Down on Power [Re: camastomcat] #1312225
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What do you have for jets and what is the finish line RPM? The peak tourque looks to be at 5500 so I would want a 9" converter at 300 over that, and where was the timing on the dyno? Is the converter able to be be efficient at the finish line? Did you move it around? I too think a 456 or more gear would help, but maybe a 10th, and it should pick up more with the tune up. I don't think 870HP is anywhere near an 8.50 in a 3000# car. 8.80-8.90@ around 148-150 would be my guess. JMO these are the questions you need to answer.




Timing was at 35 deg and the carb is jetted at 90 squ. I believe the RPM to be around 6800 .
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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312226
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Hemiroids like and need more rear gear than wedges do 4.88 or 5.13 in my opinion


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Re: Down on Power [Re: Cab_Burge] #1312227
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Fuel delivery not sufficient? What do you have for a fuel system.

Re: Down on Power [Re: JCCuda] #1312228
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Thanks for asking , but I think it`s adequate.
The fuel system has a 5 Gal. fuel cell #12 from the cell to the BG filter and BG400 pump then #10 to the BG reg and #8 to the carb. I`m getting 9 # at the line.





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Re: Down on Power [Re: Cab_Burge] #1312229
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Hemiroids like and need more rear gear than wedges do 4.88 or 5.13 in my opinion


I`m startin' to think that way , but I don`t think I`m going to see the gains I`m looking for .......
I still haven`t leak the motor down . That`ll tell the tail I`m sure.
Thanks for the suggestions , keep em comin`
Chryco

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Re: Down on Power [Re: camastomcat] #1312230
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I would go with more stall like 5800-6000, less timing, like 32*, stock jetting 92's square and start there. Like one guy said, you may need a 456, but I think 8's are in your future with the right tune up.




I'm in this frame of mind as well.

Converter too tight, not enough gear.

1.39 60's? There are 3300#, 530-560hp, cars going in this range and faster.

Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312231
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Thanks for asking , but I think it`s adequate.
The fuel system has a 5 Gal. fuel cell #12 from the cell to the BG filter and BG400 pump then #10 to the BG reg and #8 to the carb. I`m getting 9 # at the line.








have you ever looked at your plugs? is it possible that your flooding the carb going down the track with it at 9lbs? I run 5.5 lbs with 2 carbs and have no problems

i would think a big chamber like a hemi needs more timing but I have no idea


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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312232
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I would do a fuel flow test to see how much time it
takes to fill a gal... for some reason your down about
200 hp

Re: Down on Power [Re: sixpackgut] #1312233
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Thanks for asking , but I think it`s adequate.
The fuel system has a 5 Gal. fuel cell #12 from the cell to the BG filter and BG400 pump then #10 to the BG reg and #8 to the carb. I`m getting 9 # at the line.








have you ever looked at your plugs? is it possible that your flooding the carb going down the track with it at 9lbs? I run 5.5 lbs with 2 carbs and have no problems

i would think a big chamber like a hemi needs more timing but I have no idea




Definitely a possibility , the plugs do look OK after a run . And the timing is set the same on the dyno pull @ 35 deg . To be down the HP mine seems to be I`d expect to feel it miss or shoot ducks down the track . But that`s definitely not the case .



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Re: Down on Power [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1312234
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I would do a fuel flow test to see how much time it
takes to fill a gal... for some reason your down about
200 hp





I usually pump out my fuel cell by disconnecting the fuel line at a bulkhead fitting on the firewall after a race day. It sure comes out of there scary fast , I haven`t disconnected the carb fittings and watched that however. I better get on that . Sure hope it`s something that simple !!!!





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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312235
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Keep em comin` guys our season`s done here for the year and this is gonna haunt me till next May !!!




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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312236
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Have you thought about having it chassis dyno'd ?
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Re: Down on Power [Re: deaks] #1312237
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Looks like gearing to me. I think you need a minimum of a 4.56 gear, maybe a 4.88 in it.
The timing looks fine. Mine runs the best w/ 34-35 degrees in it.
I wouldn't touch the converter until you change the gear.


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