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Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. (WITH VIDEO!!!!) #1310684
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Well... after nearly 2 years, my junk is finally ready for it's first passes tomorrow. Looks like the weather is going to hold out, so I'm off to Milan to make some runs.

Few carb tweaks in the morning, and I should be ready to go.

So what do you guys think? Here is the combo...

-All steel, full interior, '62 Plymouth Savoy 4-door (3700lbs with me in it?)
-8 3/4, with a 2.76 gear and a posi
-255/60 M/T Drag Radials
-Old mystery SS style springs with Rancho 9-ways
-727, 9.5" PTC converter, with a trans brake. ~4700 stall under power
-360", 9.2:1, bowl ported '308 castings, 2.02/1.60 valves
-224/218@.050 cam, .500"/.500" on a 114LSA
-750HP carb, converted for E85, sitting on an old torquer 340 intake
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Oh yeah... and a Borg Warner S475 (75mm/96mm) turbo, with a 1.32 A/R

I'll probably just foot brake it tomorrow, and run it off the WG spring which is around 8~9psi or so. I don't want to break it the first time out... lol

So what do you guys think? I personally think a lot will have to do with how good it hooks. I'm fairly confident that it'll MPH, but the ET is a bit of an unknown.

We'll see tomorrow!

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: dizuster] #1310685
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My guess isn't an educated one, just a guess, but I will say 12.50 at 116


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: dizuster] #1310686
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11.26 @ 125. Good luck!


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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: dizuster] #1310687
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mid to low 12's

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: dizuster] #1310688
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Scott if you can get it off the line and out to maybe
100 feet then it'll run a 10.50.... but I really wonder
about hooking that up... if they glue the track(unlikely
on a TNT night)

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1310689
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Low 11's, spinning down the track.


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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: DemonDust] #1310690
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I was hoping to make it out tonight, but I think something may have come up...was looking forward to seeing this thing in action!

I'm guessing 11.7x at 12x spinning

Good luck!


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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: OUTLAWD] #1310691
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12.20 @ 116+. Should MPH good with those gears and boost.

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: dizuster] #1310692
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Scott... what did you do for a hood.... a little hammer
forming to get it back on or will this be a no hood day

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: Twin Turbo Mower] #1310693
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Rear gear is going to kill it...I say 12.8-12.9


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1310694
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No hood for this time out.

BTW... if it doesn't go in the 11's, I'll leave it there for one of you guys to pick up...before the scrap yard gets it... lol

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: dizuster] #1310695
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No hood for this time out.

BTW... if it doesn't go in the 11's, I'll leave it there for one of you guys to pick up...before the scrap yard gets it... lol





First outings are often more sobering that most figure on.


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: Blusmbl] #1310696
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11.26 @ 125. Good luck!




not a chance. I like the car but lets get real. I'll say maybe 12.50's. I susspect you might be in the high 12's low 13's. You need more gear, not sure how the 4700 stall and turbo is going to act w/ those 2.76 gears. This is basically a mild SB w/ boost. So you might be able to pick up a second off a N/A SB w/ the same build. I had the same basica build w/ a 440, execpt I had headers and 3.91's. With 6psi of boost I knocked almost a second off the et. 12.90 @ 103 to 12.08 @ 114. With 8 It would have probably ran 11.70-80's. I think his main set back is going to be the gearing, good luck and let us know how it runs w/ video of course.


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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1310697
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It should go 11's pretty easy, if it doesn't it will be because of traction, not lack of power or gearing. We went faster with less in my brothers turbo deal. The T6 frame turbo should move plenty of air to get the job done.

Good luck with it! Should surprise some people.

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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1310698
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I've got a smaller cam in my mild NA built 360, ported J heads, stock converter, shift kitted 727, 3.23's and 26" tall tire. Yes its in an Abody, but I race with tools, etc in the car, so I am probably 200# lighter race weight (milan never has the scales on it seems), and run 13.0's in OK air with a best of 12.75 down a mineshaft...from what you've said about it, it pulls harder than a 13 second car...

if you can build boost and get the converter to come up a bit, it will help a TON on the launch..


BTW...kinda killing the sleeper image running with no hood...everyone is gonna see the goods!


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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: OUTLAWD] #1310699
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Take into consideration that he is making over 600 hp at the motor. So figure from there and take away some for the gear and see what you come up with.


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Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: JAKE68] #1310700
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I got a 68 charger with a mild stroked 360 (406) edel 800 carb. with 2.94 gears in it. It has a tci 2200 stall which helps me get out of the gate.

Took it to the track once and ran a 13.28, 100 mph using only 1st. and 2nd. gear.

So I would say that he should be able to get into the 11's with his combo, but I think the stall is way to high.

Re: Sleeper going to T&T tomorrow. What will it run?!? [Re: JAKE68] #1310701
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Take into consideration that he is making over 600 hp at the motor. So figure from there and take away some for the gear and see what you come up with.




Sorry I don't see how that motor is making 600hp. Not at 8 psi of boost anyway. If that were the case a person could boost a 400hp mild BB and make 700... That combo w/o boost might make 375 so I'll add 100 for the boost. For 11's he'll need 425 at the rear wheels so figure 510+ at the crank. He has to much converter and not enough gear.

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This thing had been dynoed and made like 470 at the rear tires, so doing the math not like is real accurate is making around 600+.


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Take into consideration that he is making over 600 hp at the motor. So figure from there and take away some for the gear and see what you come up with.




Sorry I don't see how that motor is making 600hp. Not at 8 psi of boost anyway. If that were the case a person could boost a 400hp mild BB and make 700... That combo w/o boost might make 375 so I'll add 100 for the boost. For 11's he'll need 425 at the rear wheels so figure 510+ at the crank. He has to much converter and not enough gear.




375HP N/A
8# of boost is basically 55% of an atmosphere, 61% if at 9 pounds. We'll take the lower of the 2.

375*1.55 = 581hp theoretically. You said he only needs 510?

Keep in mind this a turbo car, not a super charged car, once its spooled, it's at max boost, gears don't mean much, it actually helps to create a load and spool the turbo faster. He has a brake, and should be launching with boost already built. Its a fairly decent sized turbo, and will move a good amount of air. Now if it was a tiny turbo at 8#, it wouldn't move as much air, and wouldn't make as much power. Thats why the above formula is simply a rule of thumb.


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