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Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 06:48 PM
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been pulling it out all day trying to figure this thing out,,so here go's My buddies Walt(WJ440)and Chad Bittle aer putting a D60 in their project car, it origionally had a 4.10 gear, so they got what is supposed to be the right Moser spool and Richmond 4.10 gear, but it won't fit the housing, it rideing the pinion teeth and there is no backlash to be had as it is solid up against the housing at the tube area,, the silly part is the ring or pinion has no markings for the pinion depth or backlash  , we cannot figure if the spool is at fault or the ring and pinion, what do you guys suggest. 
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 06:58 PM
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It sounds like the wrong spool  The pinion setup good in the housing? I/E good pre-load for a base set-up with the old shims? Did you start with a bare housing? I wish I lived closer I have a spare spool on the shelf Gus 
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 07:33 PM
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been pulling it out all day trying to figure this thing out,,so here go's My buddies Walt(WJ440)and Chad Bittle aer putting a D60 in their project car, it origionally had a 4.10 gear, so they got what is supposed to be the right Moser spool and Richmond 4.10 gear, but it won't fit the housing, it rideing the pinion teeth and there is no backlash to be had as it is solid up against the housing at the tube area,, the silly part is the ring or pinion has no markings for the pinion depth or backlash , we cannot figure if the spool is at fault or the ring and pinion, what do you guys suggest.
Try removing all the shims on the passenger side and put them on the drivers side, another thing is to remove the pinion gear and reinstall the spool and ring gear, check it for run out. It shouldn't exceed .003 total. Lots of gremlins lurking out there  It's our job to find and fix them   
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 07:50 PM
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been pulling it out all day trying to figure this thing out,,so here go's My buddies Walt(WJ440)and Chad Bittle aer putting a D60 in their project car, it origionally had a 4.10 gear, so they got what is supposed to be the right Moser spool and Richmond 4.10 gear, but it won't fit the housing, it rideing the pinion teeth and there is no backlash to be had as it is solid up against the housing at the tube area,, the silly part is the ring or pinion has no markings for the pinion depth or backlash , we cannot figure if the spool is at fault or the ring and pinion, what do you guys suggest.
Try removing all the shims on the passenger side and put them on the drivers side, another thing is to remove the pinion gear and reinstall the spool and ring gear, check it for run out. It shouldn't exceed .003 total. Lots of gremlins lurking out there It's our job to find and fix them
this is a moser 4 series spool and the Richmond 4.10 street gear, according to Jegs and moser this is the combo to use, I may not of been clear with my explanation,, the spool bearing is completely tight against the housing, and the gear teeth are bottomed out in the pinion teeth, there is absolutly no back lash and you can feel the teeth bind up at each tooth mesh, we are not sure which is wrong, I know I miced the overall thickness of both the new ring gear and the one from the housing and the new one is approx .020 thicker eather the ring gear is too thick or the spool was machined wrong throwing the gear toward the pinion too far, but like I said there is no pinion depth or back lash marking on the set.
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:06 PM
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Richmond also has a 4.10 gear for use with a 4 series carrier.Dr. Diff told me about it.
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:11 PM
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There are 2 different 4.10 ring gears ---- on mine I have to use the thin ring gear set which is available from Summitt!!! Maybe Russ
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:20 PM
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As mentioned above, 4.10 is the split on a 60. You need a 3 series spool or a different set of gears.
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:28 PM
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There are 2 different 4.10 ring gears ---- on mine I have to use the thin ring gear set which is available from Summitt!!!
Maybe
Russ
Ok Russ, here is the part# for the ones that Walt has,,, 69-0052-1 which one is this, thick or thin.
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:30 PM
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been pulling it out all day trying to figure this thing out,,so here go's My buddies Walt(WJ440)and Chad Bittle aer putting a D60 in their project car, it origionally had a 4.10 gear, so they got what is supposed to be the right Moser spool and Richmond 4.10 gear, but it won't fit the housing, it rideing the pinion teeth and there is no backlash to be had as it is solid up against the housing at the tube area,, the silly part is the ring or pinion has no markings for the pinion depth or backlash , we cannot figure if the spool is at fault or the ring and pinion, what do you guys suggest.
Try removing all the shims on the passenger side and put them on the drivers side, another thing is to remove the pinion gear and reinstall the spool and ring gear, check it for run out. It shouldn't exceed .003 total. Lots of gremlins lurking out there It's our job to find and fix them
this is a moser 4 series spool and the Richmond 4.10 street gear, according to Jegs and moser this is the combo to use, I may not of been clear with my explanation,, the spool bearing is completely tight against the housing, and the gear teeth are bottomed out in the pinion teeth, there is absolutly no back lash and you can feel the teeth bind up at each tooth mesh, we are not sure which is wrong, I know I miced the overall thickness of both the new ring gear and the one from the housing and the new one is approx .020 thicker eather the ring gear is too thick or the spool was machined wrong throwing the gear toward the pinion too far, but like I said there is no pinion depth or back lash marking on the set.
Not compatable I bet, a 4 sereis spool and 4.10 gears, you need a 3 sereis spool I think
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:30 PM
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Because Richmond does not make a standard (3 series) 4.10 ring and pinion, you probably have a 3 series spool. For some reason, Richmond has always listed this gear as "3 series", which is incorrect.
You need a spool designed for 4.56 - 7.17 gears, or any other brand of 4.10 gears, EXCEPT Richmond.
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:33 PM
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There are 2 different 4.10 ring gears ---- on mine I have to use the thin ring gear set which is available from Summitt!!!
Maybe
Russ
Ok Russ, here is the part# for the ones that Walt has,,, 69-0052-1 which one is this, thick or thin.
That is the correct "thin" gear part # not sure what the issue would be then???
Russ
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 09:36 PM
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4 series spool is for 4.56 and deeper gears. 4.10 gear uses a 3 series spool.
Sheldon
Yes.. That's what I thought to.. On Summit website, it says for the 410 gear, to use the series 3 carrier, and then you look down at the bottom.. It says note ... Used the 456 carrier which I thought was series 4 spool. I'm confused now...lol. From my understanding, they said the reason for using the 456 carrier, is that Richmond made a thinner gear on the 410, So That Way they can go from 410 and higher using the same carrier On the 410 housings. Again thanks for all you guys help.
Brand Richmond Gear
Manufacturer's Part Number 6900521
Part Type Ring and Pinion Gears
Product Line Richmond Gear Ring and Pinion Sets
Summit Racing Part Number RMG-6900521
UPC 662960000942
Ring and Pinion Ratio 4.10:1
Cover Bolts 10
Ring Gear Bolts 12
Pinion Spline Count 29
Carrier Series 3
Ring Gear Rotation Standard
Ring Gear Teeth 41
Pinion Gear Teeth 10
Ring Gear Diameter (in) 9.750 in.
Pinion Shaft Diameter (in) 1.626 in.
Installation Kit Included No
Quantity Sold as a set.
Notes 4.56:1 or numerically higher carrier.
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Re: Dana 60 issue,,I have no hair left!!!!
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09/09/12 11:06 PM
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What did you use for pinion shims?
I think a "thick" ring gear along with the 4 series spool would not even allow you to get the carrier in the housing with the pinion gear in there? It sounds like you did get the carrier in there somehow.
Sheldon
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