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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300099
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First 'snag'

Torqued them down and my pushrods are just a hair too long

The cups are just bottoming in the back sides of the rocker with no lash. brand new Manton 11/32nds too. Wish I could find that old set of MP rocker shaft shims, anybody got a set??

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300100
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First 'snag'

Torqued them down and my pushrods are just a hair too long

The cups are just bottoming in the back sides of the rocker with no lash. brand new Manton 11/32nds too. Wish I could find that old set of MP rocker shaft shims, anybody got a set??






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PM sent! Thanks!

The pushrods are just a hair too long with the new heads, not sure why but it is what it is.

The shims should give me just enough to give me lash adjustment on the rockers.


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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300102
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Wize..

what kind of rocker gear are you running?


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Comp Magnum stainless only 1.5:1's, I'd like to run 1.6's on the intakes to get my lift up over .600 but thet are what I have.

here's a shot of them on the Eddie's

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300104
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Comp Magnum stainless only 1.5:1's, I'd like to run 1.6's on the intakes to get my lift up over .600 but thet are what I have.

here's a shot of them on the Eddie's




Those dont look too bad at all, have to fool around much to attain good geometry?


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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: B3422W5] #1300105
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The wipe was dead nuts....but of course these are my Old heads. I think an .040 shim will cure the new ones, that should give me about .026 allowance for lash or there abouts (I run .016/.018)

These are 1.55" OD springs, Bryce said he had to run lash caps (which he gave me) to clear the Aluminum 1.6:1 rockers he ran on Stevie D's 408 mule. Looks like mine clear fine and adding a lash cap would 'go the wrong way' for my app.

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300106
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Those shims will work but they also have resulted in broken shafts. Weight your options before making a choice. Sometimes a new set of pushrods is cheaper than repairing the damage.


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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: pittsburghracer] #1300107
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Why not buy the correct pushrods? You've spent money for the heads don't cheap out now.

Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300108
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Bobby, if ever in a pinch, you can buy 10 gm starter shims from the auto parts, cut off the end with the hole in it, and use that end for a rocker shim. Just pitch the slotted end in the trash..

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I don't see how anything could break by using a shim as long as the geometry is correct.


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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300110
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Why not shorten the pushrods you have?

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.030", I don't think it's worth it to?

Someone tell me what's the big deal with a Shim? I've turned motors 8 grand with them, as much stuff that moves around the base of the shaft is the least of my worries. The shaft doesnt know the base of the pedestal is steel and not cast aluminum. Small blocks have those puny 5/16 shaft bolts, at least I have the stout Hughes hold downs. It's not like I'm running a Comp eliminator motor here

Bad geometry and binding is what breaks valvetrain parts from my experience.

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300112
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Previous poster makes good sense, IMO.
Cost is same to have them cut .030 or two feet.
I guess in the whole scheme of a performance build, I would much rather eliminate having to shim/ band aid anything, especially if I could do it for likely under a 100 bucks at a competent machine shop I would think


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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: B3422W5] #1300113
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Ok, ok, you guys win


I'll call Terry on Monday.

BTW, here's the exhaust port...it's actually a couple CFM LESS than the SDSS2's

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300114
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close up of the Chamber and side by side "published flow numbers vs the very good (and probably more efficient (CFM per sq/in of port section) SDSS2's

SDSS ported Flow #'s --AirWolf 220's

LIFT--IN/EX --LIFT-IN/EX
.100"--72.6/NA --.100"--72/69
.200"--146.9/110.8 --.200" --144/110
.300"--196.3/150.1 --.300"-- 219/146
.400"--245.8/180.2 --.400"-- 273/174
.500"--268.6/203.4 --.500" --301/201
.600"--276.6/218.6 --.600" --312/216
.700"--286.6/223.8 --.700"-- 316/225

7485659-Airwolf5.jpg (497 downloads)
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300115
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Comp Magnum stainless only 1.5:1's, I'd like to run 1.6's on the intakes to get my lift up over .600 but thet are what I have.

here's a shot of them on the Eddie's




Wize, what lifters are those? They look like they would come out OK with the heads on. IIRC my comps won't come out with the heads on. Thanks

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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Bad340fish] #1300116
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Are you comparing a Stage 2 porting job to a Full on porting job???

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Lifters are Morels

I'm comparing the SDSS stage 2's to the Airwolfs because that is what I had vs what I'm moving to, that's all

Obviously the full on SDSS4's would be more 'Apples to Apples' but many of of on Moparts already have Ryan's stage 2's and they are awesome heads and a Huge upgrade from OOTB Edelbrocks


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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar [Re: Streetwize] #1300118
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We don't race flow benches.

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