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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 06:03 PM
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Jeff Thanks for the info. Curious if that procomp head is the "revised water jacket" casting? I kinda figured a 225 cc head like his airwolf would make a sorted out 32-3300 pound 904 car run 9.90-10.0 without nasty unstreetable ramps pretty cheaply. Darn nice sounding alternative 
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 07:00 PM
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on a side note,, a guy just came in with a set of pro comp small blk mopar heads,, look exactly like the airwolf,, same hardware,, same port difference in the port from an edelbrock,, im thinking the airwolf is just a generic cnc from china,,
this guy paid 1425 for the ported, assembled,, to his door from minnesota
im opening up the chambers,, as cast 65 cc's,, and doing a valve job
jeff
Jeff, do you know where he got the blank heads from? Also, would you care to share your ported numbers on these heads (im assuming you are going to cnc them as well)...Be interesting to see what the 195cc can do as well, and also what you think of the casting quality
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:10 PM
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all im doing is the chambers and a valve job......
he got the castings from a guy in minnesota,,, castings are 441.00 each
assembled heads 550 each
ported heads bare 642 each
assembled ported heads 751.50 each
So did he get them assembled from the guy in minnesota for 1425 or he bought them bare and loaded them with his own stuff? Would be interesting to see what the quality of the "assembled" parts on the heads are like
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:11 PM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMALL-BLOCK-CHRY...=item43ae1e81d5
these guys sell them at a lower price bare...also have completed and cnc head in package deal...
the cheaper guy charges for shipping the other guy has free shipping..so it is almost a wash on the price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/318-340-360-CHRY...=item43b3b2da96
and this link give you the all import top end..LOL
Only one with posted flow numbers is the whole import package lol....Seem close to eddy flow numbers even hand ported?
For $800 bucks for the pair bare, that leaves how much left to assemble them PROPERLY? Just thinking out loud of whether they really are worth it over the edelbrocks by the time you install good hardware on them....Thats of course if the parts they come with are no good
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:15 PM
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he bought them assembled,,, the parts are fine,,, nothing looks cheap......
the valve job as far as airflow goes looks bad,,, so im "fixing" it,, the edelbrock head likes a wide top angle,, this head has no top angle,, so im thinking they will pick up....maybe ill flow them after im done to show what they do
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:20 PM
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Springs, locks and valves for an additional $109.00  I know nobody really wants to sell them bare so that price is usually jacked up a bit but still....I doubt they are Manley or Ferreas. Bryce's provides nice high quality Manley valvetrain with the Airwolfs. I believe he buys them raw and puts in his own hardened seats and guides so likely not apples to apples even if they are the same castings. You certainly don't want to skimp where it counts IMO. Edelbrock is selling lower grade heads now and they cut the costs in the quality of the seats and finish machining. Casting quality of my pair of airwolfs looks to me to be on par with the eddies
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:23 PM
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he bought them assembled,,, the parts are fine,,, nothing looks cheap......
the valve job as far as airflow goes looks bad,,, so im "fixing" it,, the edelbrock head likes a wide top angle,, this head has no top angle,, so im thinking they will pick up....maybe ill flow them after im done to show what they do
A flow test would be great to be honest
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:25 PM
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Springs, locks and valves for an additional $109.00
Bryce's provides nice high quality Manley valvetrain with the Airwolfs.
Casting quality of my pair of airwolfs looks to me to be on par with the eddies
I know, its a little funny I agree that its not much more fully assembled...I wonder what kind of spring and valve they are using.
Bryce's is kinda the same deal, atleast on his website anyways...2,000 bare, or 2,200 fully assembled...unless im reading it wrong on there somewhere 
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 09:41 PM
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What hasn't been figured out is if these procomp heads have the "water passages modified" and are where Bryce starts running his program from
Or if the heads we are talking about here are " standard water" like an Eddie knockoff.
Think they must all be cast the same?
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/29/12 10:08 PM
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What hasn't been figured out is if these procomp heads have the "water passages modified" and are where Bryce starts running his program from
Or if the heads we are talking about here are " standard water" like an Eddie knockoff.
Think they must all be cast the same?
Didn't Jeff mention a few posts ago that the port floors are lower then the eddies? If they are, then I think they are cast with the moved water ports it would seem...just guessing though
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Re: airwolf sbm 220 heads!!!! for a sb mopar
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11/30/12 07:10 PM
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First 'snag' Torqued them down and my pushrods are just a hair too long  The cups are just bottoming in the back sides of the rocker with no lash. brand new Manton 11/32nds too. Wish I could find that old set of MP rocker shaft shims, anybody got a set??
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