Re: Edelbrock RPM package for BB
[Re: Furious65]
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08/26/12 10:59 AM
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The consesnus for years (even with ford and chevy) is that the cam in the package is leaves power on the table compared to the familiar name brand cams. And this was the deal back in the mid 90s when no one was doing strokers.
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: Edelbrock RPM package for BB
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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08/27/12 01:00 AM
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...at least 550 HP and 580 ft. lbs with the rest of your parts, it'll be a real tire shredder Make sure and have or if you do the assembly to degree the cam in, no matter what size cam
See, that is what I'm after. I figured a basic 512 combo with that cam should produce numbers very similar to that. I am open to suggestions, especially on the cam, to achieve my goals. Here is a run down of what I'm planning and see what you guys think.
This will be driven on the street regularly and maybe even see an occasional long haul or two. It will see the strip very rarely but would like it to perform respectably when it does. It will have A/C, full comfortable interior, and a nice stereo system. I would like for it to run mid to low 12's (don't want to cage it!) if possible while maintaining great street characteristics.
Basic engine: '70 440 block bored .030 440 Source basic 512 kit (-17 dish pistons @ 10.25/1 cr for 91 pump gas) 440 Source Stealth heads - stock other than springs to match cam Edelbrock RPM camshaft Edelbrock Pro Flo XT (7144) or Victor (29545) EFI intake w/FAST EZ-EFI controller (still have to work out throttle body/injector size)
Basic chassis/drive train setup: '65 Sport Fury (right at 4000 lbs.) Stock 383 torsions bars 46RH trans w/Ultrabell 2400 stall lockup New HD leafs 8.75 rear w/3.91 SG and pinion snubber
Input/suggestions?
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Re: Edelbrock RPM package for BB
[Re: Furious65]
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08/27/12 10:08 PM
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With the stock stealth heads you will make big torque everywhere but rpm will fall off quickly.Probably be all done by 5000rpm. You definitely won't need 3.91 gears with that setup.3.55 or 3.23 would be more beneficial. I can't understand why you would'nt port those heads so that motor can breathe.
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Re: Edelbrock RPM package for BB
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08/27/12 10:40 PM
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...it ran low 11s(11.32) in the 1/4 mile in my 3450 lb Duster with 3.91 gears in it spinning the tires...
What was your trap speed? That Comp cam, how was the bottom end (torque) on it in your 440?
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Re: Edelbrock RPM package for BB
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08/28/12 12:46 AM
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A couple comments... with 238 deg @.050 intake the cam will provide a lot of mid range torque with 512" and should work fine with PB tuned right. Lift, at under .5" is kinda on the low side. Its not a very aggressive profile in terms of rate of lift which will somewhat limit torque and HP. As a benefit it shouldn't stress the valve train too much. From memory, Ed heads continue breathing improvements up to about .6" lift so more lift = more HP. If you want a little more HP+TQ without sacrificing drivability consider a more aggressive cam like a Comp XE high lift, Hughes or max effort MM lobe cam from Muscle Motors or others. I'm running a MM lobe solid flat tappet with 243@.050 intake duration on a 496 and love it. It is considered aggessive for the street but I have 10k or so miles without problem.
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Re: Edelbrock RPM package for BB
[Re: Furious65]
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08/28/12 01:29 AM
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I' going to guess on the MPH and say 121 or 122, maybe not, I can dig out that log book if it is important to you, PM me and let me know It ran a 11.42 spinning the snout out of the tires on the first run, I lowered the air pressure down and it pick the 60 ft. times up a bunch but the oil pump bypass plug came out at around the thousand foot clocks on that run and the car lost oil pressure, I didn't see the loss of oil pressure right away but I'm sure that loss of pressure slow the car down some I took it home and tore it apart, I ended up only needing to replace two rod bearings but I replaced them all I had dyno tested that motor and drove it on the street less than 25 miles before taking it to the track, I swapped that motor out (I had five motors assembled and dyno tested and ready to go back then, mild to wild ) for another new one, 464 C.I. 440 block motor with a sixpak and unported Eddy RPM heads on it. That motor ran low elevens, 11.0 to high 10s. best was 10.91 at 123 MPH best on the brakes in Mission B.C. As far as low in torque that 464 C.I.motor would spin the tires on the street pretty easily, I had a custom built 10 inch converter in the car back then that would flash to 4200 to 4400 RPM in 1st gear depending on which motor was in the car My car has ladder bars and coil overs with either M/T ET Street 13.50x30x15 or M/T 315x60x15 ET Street Radials, depending on which track the car was raced on last. It hooks pretty well usually, 1.43 to 1.52 depending on the track, elevation and weather conditions
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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