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HEMI heads? #1290331
08/23/12 09:33 PM
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Going to build new engine for the pulling truck over the winter considering going to hemi what heads would be best for these rules

9. Engine must be naturally aspirated. Any single four-barrel carb allowed with any cast aluminum intake manifold, No sheet metal intakes. 470 cubic inch or 58.75 per cylinder. Gasoline only, Cast iron block, any cast iron heads. Aluminum heads that meet the following criteria are allowed.
a.) OEM intake port locations
b.) Accepts OEM production valvetrain
c.) Exhaust ports can only be raised a maximum of 5/8" of an inch.


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Re: HEMI heads? [Re: 79_W200] #1290332
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Stave V, replacement heads CNC by tim banning would meet your needs. Tim

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Going to build new engine for the pulling truck over the winter considering going to hemi what heads would be best for these rules

9. Engine must be naturally aspirated. Any single four-barrel carb allowed with any cast aluminum intake manifold, No sheet metal intakes. 470 cubic inch or 58.75 per cylinder. Gasoline only, Cast iron block, any cast iron heads. Aluminum heads that meet the following criteria are allowed.
a.) OEM intake port locations
b.) Accepts OEM production valvetrain
c.) Exhaust ports can only be raised a maximum of 5/8" of an inch.


Not Indy !!!!!! go with stage v you will be glad you did.

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Re: HEMI heads? [Re: robnbird] #1290334
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Going to build new engine for the pulling truck over the winter considering going to hemi what heads would be best for these rules

9. Engine must be naturally aspirated. Any single four-barrel carb allowed with any cast aluminum intake manifold, No sheet metal intakes. 470 cubic inch or 58.75 per cylinder. Gasoline only, Cast iron block, any cast iron heads. Aluminum heads that meet the following criteria are allowed.
a.) OEM intake port locations
Not to hijack, but what type of problems did you have with the indy heads?
Kevin
b.) Accepts OEM production valvetrain
c.) Exhaust ports can only be raised a maximum of 5/8" of an inch.


Not Indy !!!!!! go with stage v you will be glad you did.



Not to hijack, but what type of problems did you have with the indy heads?
Kevin

Re: HEMI heads? [Re: 604 Hemi GTX] #1290335
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Do a search, quality control issues/poor customer service. Tim

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Going to build new engine for the pulling truck over the winter considering going to hemi what heads would be best for these rules

9. Engine must be naturally aspirated. Any single four-barrel carb allowed with any cast aluminum intake manifold, No sheet metal intakes. 470 cubic inch or 58.75 per cylinder. Gasoline only, Cast iron block, any cast iron heads. Aluminum heads that meet the following criteria are allowed.
a.) OEM intake port locations
Not to hijack, but what type of problems did you have with the indy heads?
Kevin
b.) Accepts OEM production valvetrain
c.) Exhaust ports can only be raised a maximum of 5/8" of an inch.


Not Indy !!!!!! go with stage v you will be glad you did.



Not to hijack, but what type of problems did you have with the indy heads?
Kevin



Re: HEMI heads? [Re: astjp2] #1290336
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I would go with the Stage V Custom head with raised exhaust ports and have Jeff @ MCH in MI CNC port them! As far as the single 4 BBL cast intake goes I think the Ray Barton 4500 should work well.

Brian

Re: HEMI heads? [Re: Bishop] #1290337
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The Stage V replacement head will be enough and I agree the Ray Barton intake probably makes the most power.


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Re: HEMI heads? [Re: rickseeman] #1290338
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What is the limit on the iron replacement heads? if i can keep it cast iron it opens up some other clubs with a rule of any cast iron head allowed.


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Re: HEMI heads? [Re: 79_W200] #1290340
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If you can afford the money then buy a set of Super Stock cast iron heads. Those should fit the rules. That would be really expensive for new heads, but you might be able to find some older heads that aren't competitive in SS any more. I'm sure some of the NHRA guys have stacks of older heads on the shelf.

If you don't want to go that way then the easy thing would be to call up Tim and order a CNC set of the Stage V heads. I have a set of those sitting here in the shop and they look great.

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Can the stock heads with a 470 limit make around 900-950


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I have a NOS set of cast iron D-4's. (I would assume the last NOS set there is.) The D-4's were NASCAR heads, larger intake ports and raised D exhaust ports. They were Chrysler's highest horsepower heads for the 426. I would sell them for $3,000. Rick 501-519-7425


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Re: HEMI heads? [Re: rickseeman] #1290343
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Todd Marsh and his engine guy have built the winningest engine in that class that was ever done--The customer had won 4-5 years in a row, national Champ, and I did his engine one year--he won another national Champ then the Fords caught up with them so he went to Todd with a good budget--they built a MONSTER CI limited combo--big bore shortest stroke possible--it KILLED the other guys and has won several more national Championships--Call Todd at Moparts Connection--NO he will not build it for you free over the phone with all his tips--Yes he will do it for you and promise you wins--Wheel speed is everything in that game--Call him, start winning!
Oh yea, go by the bank first and remember to stick with a builder that has a winning rep at truck pulling--it ain't dragging for sure!

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Is it possible to get in the 900-950 range in hp with the iron heads if so this keeps me from any argument since any iron heads allowed.


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Todd Marsh and his engine guy have built the winningest engine in that class that was ever done--The customer had won 4-5 years in a row, national Champ, and I did his engine one year--he won another national Champ then the Fords caught up with them so he went to Todd with a good budget--they built a MONSTER CI limited combo--big bore shortest stroke possible--it KILLED the other guys and has won several more national Championships--Call Todd at Moparts Connection--NO he will not build it for you free over the phone with all his tips--Yes he will do it for you and promise you wins--Wheel speed is everything in that game--Call him, start winning!
Oh yea, go by the bank first and remember to stick with a builder that has a winning rep at truck pulling--it ain't dragging for sure!


well you can buy your mopar parts from todd also I have bought several parts from todd and he is excellent to deal with . Just down to earth and honest . Also Todd doesn't try to put on the act, like a mad scientist who has been nabbed by aliens and returned with extra terrestial mechanical knowlege

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Re: HEMI heads? [Re: 79_W200] #1290346
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Iron heads will do the # you want.

Sheldon

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In your first post you said you were thinking about a hemi. Imo you should think about budget first which you haven't mentioned and if you as stated earlier have not gone to your banker first you may reconsider. You said iron heads would be easier because it opens up more clubs to you. This statement leads me to believe this this is not a National level truck. My point is at that cubic inch and rules the guys around here use cast iron indy-1s if you have a modest budget. Diablo (on this forum) ran them for quite a while with good success.
Don't know about the mopar hemis but the ford pulling hemis are 40-50 K. Like I said just another pullers opinion.


Re: HEMI heads? [Re: mac56] #1290348
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I am running indy -1 now. Im getting beat on power tracks wich are common on the clay in the area. The chevys are running schmidt engines that are around 950+ hp i dont think that building a new short block with -1 i can get that budget i would like to be around 25K


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Is it possible to get in the 900-950 range in hp with the iron heads if so this keeps me from any argument since any iron heads allowed.




Very doubtful with stock head castings. Like many of the SS cars, the intake bolts get too close to the port window, and they need to be changed to the 10 bolt style like you see running in SS now. To date, I have not seen a set of iron heads that way. And the most HP I have seen out of a set didn't hit 900hp, and certainly not for $25k...At that level, there are only a few choices.


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