Re: Neutral start switch
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You could switch to an earlier one-wire neutral start switch that would have one stud and a nut to attach the single wire. Not necessary, just would look a bit neater.
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Re: Neutral start switch
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OK, let's see if I have this right. The wire from the relay (on the firewall) to the starter solenoid gets cut and routed to the neutral safety switch and then back to the starter solenoid. If the trans is in neutral, the current goes through neutral start switch and allows starter to turn. If not in neutral, switch allows no current and no start. Is that how it works? Is all I need is the center post with a wire from the firewall relay to the neutral start and then on to starter solenoid. Or does the wire from the firewall relay go to the power pole on the neutral start and then a wire from center pole to solenoid? Seems like I need a wire in and a wire out if it works like a switch? I am confused....
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Re: Neutral start switch
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no, the center wire on the NSS is a ground for the wire coming from the starter relay. the starter relay will only work when it is grounded, the trans has to be in neutral or park for ground... the 2 outer wires on the NSS are the + in and out to the back up lights, when you are in reverse it completes the circuit Ron...
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Re: Neutral start switch
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personally I would use a mopar relay since you are using a mopar engine and they are set up for the mopar NSS.
ford has a different set up for Neutral, I believe it is on the column or on the shifter.
the Mopar one is much easier.
mopar starters have 2 wire. ford only uses 1 wire (battery cable)
is there a NSS on your column or your shifter?
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Re: Neutral start switch
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When using the Ford style firewall solenoid you can't use the ones that have the "I" and "S" terminals, you have to get the type that has two un-labled terminals and then run the Start wire to one terminal and the other terminal goes to the center pin on the Mopar NSS.
At the Mopar starter you will need to run a jumper wire between the large terminal and the smaller "S" terminal.
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Re: Neutral start switch
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No special attachment to the Ford relay other than the fact I have all the wiring under the hood done.
If you'd prefer to retain the current solenoid and underhood wiring, you can incorporate the NSS by installing an ISO relay under the dash. See schematic below.
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Re: Neutral start switch
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Re: Neutral start switch
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OK, we're interchanging the word "relay" with the word "solenoid"....the ISO relay in my drawing will be added to the start circuit and energizes the existing Ford solenoid. The ISO relay is available from many sources, just ask for a "30 Amp ISO Relay"....most come with the connector and short pigtail wires.
The solenoid I'm referring to is the existing Ford firewall solenoid; the existing wire that now goes from the Start button to the solenoid "S" terminal is interrupted by the ISO relay in my schematic I.E. the existing wire goes to terminal 86 and jumpers across to 87. The wire from ISO terminal 30 goes to the "S" terminal on the existing solenoid and terminal 85 goes to the center pin on the NSS. This way the starter will only be powered in Park and Neutral by a ground from the NSS.
As before, in order to use the Ford solenoid with the Mopar starter you will need a jumper between the two terminals on the Mopar starter; this is assuming you are powering the Mopar starter large terminal from the Ford solenoid large output terminal.
But if you are hooking the battery positive cable directly to the starter and using the Ford solenoid only as a relay, no jumper is needed and the output side of the solenoid would go to the small "S" terminal on the Mopar starter.
Confused yet?
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Re: Neutral start switch
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I got it John. I only have to mount the new ISO relay under the dash, interrupt the start wire from the starter button to the S terminal on the Ford relay and wire it to the ISO relay in two spots and then run one new wire down to the neutral start switch. Oh, and add small jumper wire at the starter solenoid since I am using the start terminal on the Ford relay. Yeah, I was confused about the use of "solenoid". I've always called the thing on the starter that engages the bendix gear a solenoid. Anything else I call a relay. But I have heard many people call the thing on the Ford firewall a solenoid. Anyway, it's all good. You're the best, thanks for the help. If you get to Florida, I am buying...
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Re: Neutral start switch
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essentially, the difference between a solenoid and a relay is the amount of current they handle. They function the same. They both use an electromagnet to engage a set of contacts, in the case of a starter solenoid it will also engage the bendix.
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