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Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #1279417 08/17/12 01:06 AM 08/17/12 01:06 AM
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71383beep top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,647 IL	Quote: I will provide further first hand back-up of the existence of factory provided Carter conversion kits for the Holley 4160 applications, performed the conversion many times myself during my time at dealers back then. They were packaged as complete kits, fuel lines, choke springs, any other hardware required, fully covered if under warranty. Installed correctly, appeared completely factory installed. Can�t tell you just how many 4160�s wound up in the trash, considered pure junk then by those who serviced them and many under hood fires were blamed directly on them. Yeah i read your posts on the bird nest which is why I am wondering if my 4966 AVS was a warranty replacement. I mean everything is where it should be, choke, hose routing, kick down, etc. The only thing it does not have is the ground wire to the dizzy, but the car was converted to the MP electronic ignition sometime in its life. I just was thinking if I could rebuild a 440 AVS for a bit more umpf and it would be a reasonable stock substitute. i figured the original 4160 holley is next to impossible. Its not the end of the world I am more than happy to live with the carb(s) I have. I just wondered why I had an AVS. '73 GK6 Challenger Rallye - 340 4-Speed

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 72roadrunnergtx] #1279418 08/19/12 09:56 PM 08/19/12 09:56 PM
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bee1971 master B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,822 Sobieski Wi	Quote: I will provide further first hand back-up of the existence of factory provided Carter conversion kits for the Holley 4160 applications, performed the conversion many times myself during my time at dealers back then. They were packaged as complete kits, fuel lines, choke springs, any other hardware required, fully covered if under warranty. Installed correctly, appeared completely factory installed. Can�t tell you just how many 4160�s wound up in the trash, considered pure junk then by those who serviced them and many under hood fires were blamed directly on them. I bought my 71 Bee from the original owner back in 1984 - The motor had not been touched and the car still retained most of its original paint and interior - 100% #s matching - The car was also Ziebart undercoating straight from the dealer i was told from original owner as the Ziebart sticker still to this day resides in the rear window - I remember when i pulled the original motor there was Ziebart undercoating all over the valve covers / wiring / air cleaner / intake and fuel lines + Carter 6125S Car was built in St Louis December 1970 Whos to say that Chrysler on late build cars didnt install the 6125s at the factory ??? Hell my 71 Bee has a 1972 Charger Heater Core in it from the factory 1971 Dodge Charger Superbee 2011 Ram Sport 1500 Quad Cab Deep Water Blue Loaded Siberian Huskies

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: bee1971] #1279419 08/21/12 08:04 PM 08/21/12 08:04 PM
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sunroofgtx I Live Here Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,132 Cleveland	Quote: Whos to say that Chrysler on late build cars didnt install the 6125s at the factory The build sheet is the ultimate truth to what was supposed to be on there from the assembly line. Now whether or not the dealership switched things, IE interior, radio, spare tire, Carter AVS upgrade, only the dealership work orders know. Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: sunroofgtx] #1279420 08/21/12 08:07 PM 08/21/12 08:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: LOL LIST 4735..wait until you try and find one! like NON EXISTENT... and big big $$$$$ SOLD 1 for 550.00 a few yrs ago...RARE RARE Yep, and of the several hundred carbs that have come and gone from my inventory over the years I have seen exactly one (1) single example that's been available for sale, it's customer owned and still sitting here. He wants a ton for it but rightfully so, they are likely one of the rarest Holleys you'll ever have to find if you need one.

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1279421 08/21/12 09:42 PM 08/21/12 09:42 PM
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340cpe mopar 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 649 Pa.	Scott how about a holley 4667? I have an early built 71 Bee W/O fresh air, and on the build sheet it has a 48 for carb. Well if I am doing this properly and I believe that I am the 48 is the last two digits of the Part# of the carb which is 3512848. That part# translates to a Holley R4667A. Have you ever seen one or know where I could find one? I could never find one and opted for the Factory Service Manual list# of 6191. Would love to find the right carb as it is a very original car. This Carb question on these 71 383 seems to come up here often. I seem to hear something new everytime that it does!!

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 340cpe] #1279422 08/21/12 11:15 PM 08/21/12 11:15 PM
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sunroofgtx I Live Here Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,132 Cleveland	All great info. Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 340cpe] #1279423 08/22/12 12:02 AM 08/22/12 12:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	This is my latest list of available customer owned Holley carb cores. These are not mine, prices vary depending on what the owners want for them. I do not sell these cores as is, only as restored units. Some are pretty rough and will require another core carb to scavenge good parts from. 4735 -2190 4668 -2020 Body Only 4367 -0389 4367 -3569 Body Only 4737 -1200 4749-3 2095 Body Only 6191 -1271 4749-3 -1190 6191 -2580 4749-3 -1789 6191 -2780 4749-1 -1082 Top Bail Broken 4668 -2550 4668 -1821 6193 -2730 3918 -2017 4368 -2819 6191 -2580 Top Bail Broken 4366 -0780 4749-2 -3392 4217 -2809 6169 -3170 Body Only 4749-3 -0700 4368 -2679 3918 -2357 4166 -3148 1850-2 -3028 4367 -2619 3667-1 963 Part# 2843151 4749 -0224 4367 -3539

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 340cpe] #1279424 08/22/12 12:20 AM 08/22/12 12:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,652 Calgary, Alberta Canada m46rat top fuel
m46rat top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,652 Calgary, Alberta Canada	Quote: Scott how about a holley 4667? I have an early built 71 Bee W/O fresh air, and on the build sheet it has a 48 for carb. Well if I am doing this properly and I believe that I am the 48 is the last two digits of the Part# of the carb which is 3512848. That part# translates to a Holley R4667A. Have you ever seen one or know where I could find one? I could never find one and opted for the Factory Service Manual list# of 6191. Would love to find the right carb as it is a very original car. This Carb question on these 71 383 seems to come up here often. I seem to hear something new everytime that it does!! What is the SPD of your Bee? I have a super early one of these that Scott restored for me, I think it may be the only one on the planet. It is dated 0540. Holley does not even list this carb in their carb guide book, and they made it! Scott has a bunch of pictures of it that he could post. I am out of town right now so I can<t post any.

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1279425 08/22/12 12:24 AM 08/22/12 12:24 AM
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ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	Quote: This is my latest list of available customer owned Holley carb cores. These are not mine, prices vary depending on what the owners want for them. I do not sell these cores as is, only as restored units. Some are pretty rough and will require another core carb to scavenge good parts from. 4735 -2190 4668 -2020 Body Only 4367 -0389 4367 -3569 Body Only 4737 -1200 4749-3 2095 Body Only 6191 -1271 4749-3 -1190 6191 -2580 4749-3 -1789 6191 -2780 4749-1 -1082 Top Bail Broken 4668 -2550 4668 -1821 6193 -2730 3918 -2017 4368 -2819 6191 -2580 Top Bail Broken 4366 -0780 4749-2 -3392 4217 -2809 6169 -3170 Body Only 4749-3 -0700 4368 -2679 3918 -2357 4166 -3148 1850-2 -3028 4367 -2619 3667-1 963 Part# 2843151 4749 -0224 4367 -3539 i have: LIST 6191 x 2 [2260 & 2280] LIST 6193 [2370] LIST 4737 [0120] 71 4 speed idle solenoid also almost NOS

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ph23vo] #1279426 08/22/12 01:48 AM 08/22/12 01:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Here's Dwights 4667, I don't have the after resto pics but here's proof they exist! 7345428-4667HolleyD(3).jpg (397 downloads)

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1279427 08/22/12 01:49 AM 08/22/12 01:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	2 7345429-4667HolleyC(4).jpg (395 downloads)

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1279428 08/22/12 07:57 AM 08/22/12 07:57 AM
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sunroofgtx I Live Here Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,132 Cleveland	Watch it Scott. The black Suburbans are rolling your way !!.. Nice Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 71383beep] #1279429 08/24/12 07:06 AM 08/24/12 07:06 AM
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440beep super stock 4 Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,183 eganville ont	Quote: I see...cool...good to know! What line on the BS is the carb listed on? I am guessing it was likely a holley carb. I now know that the engine and trans have been out and it looks like some work was done to it. The car is fairly close to original though and I am wrestling with either going in that direction or "upgrading". I have no issues with putting a holley on her as i am much more familiar with tuning them, but I am hesitant to put such a rather small one back on. I have been leaning to a correct 440 AVS like the 4968S if I can find one. i have one a 4968 avs i looking for a 4967 avs holley 4160 are Last edited by 440beep; 08/24/12 07:10 AM. Plymouth's gonna getcha! There are 3 things that will live forever, cockroaches, Keith Richards, & slant 6 Dusters 71 gtx 440 4speed air grabber blue on blue with white vinyl roof

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1279430 08/24/12 08:49 AM 08/24/12 08:49 AM
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71383beep top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,647 IL	Quote: This is my latest list of available customer owned Holley carb cores. These are not mine, prices vary depending on what the owners want for them. I do not sell these cores as is, only as restored units. Some are pretty rough and will require another core carb to scavenge good parts from. 4735 -2190 4668 -2020 Body Only 4367 -0389 4367 -3569 Body Only 4737 -1200 4749-3 2095 Body Only 6191 -1271 4749-3 -1190 6191 -2580 4749-3 -1789 6191 -2780 4749-1 -1082 Top Bail Broken 4668 -2550 4668 -1821 6193 -2730 3918 -2017 4368 -2819 6191 -2580 Top Bail Broken 4366 -0780 4749-2 -3392 4217 -2809 6169 -3170 Body Only 4749-3 -0700 4368 -2679 3918 -2357 4166 -3148 1850-2 -3028 4367 -2619 3667-1 963 Part# 2843151 4749 -0224 4367 -3539 Okay, Sorry for a what is probably a dumb question, but what is the second series of digits symbolize? Thanks, '73 GK6 Challenger Rallye - 340 4-Speed

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 71383beep] #1279431 08/24/12 10:44 AM 08/24/12 10:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	The second series is the carb assembly date code, 3 digits are the day of the year, last digit is the year)

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1279432 08/26/12 09:32 PM 08/26/12 09:32 PM
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340cpe mopar 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 649 Pa.	M46rat what do you have that 4667 on? My SPD of my Bee is August 7th 1970. As I said earlier per the build sheet it should have the 4667. I have the 6191 but the dte on it is late July of 70. The Carb is about the only major component that is not right on the car.

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 340cpe] #1279433 08/26/12 11:26 PM 08/26/12 11:26 PM
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m46rat top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,652 Calgary, Alberta Canada	It is sitting in a cozy box in my basement. An important difference between it and a 6191 is that the base has no provision for the solenoid. My only 71 383+4 car is a Barracuda convertible with an SPD of June 1, 1971. I have a 6191 for it, also done by Scott.

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: m46rat] #1279434 03/29/13 01:50 PM 03/29/13 01:50 PM
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ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	i have: 70-71 HOLLEY N96 SHAKER ram air carbs.. LIST 6191 x 2 [2260 & 2280] LIST 6193 [2370] LIST 4735 x 2 [2020 & cant rem] LIST 4737 [0120]

Re: Holley or Carter? 1971 HP 383 with A/C [Re: 71383beep] #1279435 03/29/13 06:07 PM 03/29/13 06:07 PM
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71birdJ68 master 7 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,484 Morristown Tn.	My 71 AG RR had a holley. On the lean bog thing, mine did the same thing, and I remember that there was a plastic ramp that worked the accelerator pump or something and a grove had wore in it so the pump didn't keep up with the demand, it lagged behind on it pumping action.

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