I am currently using a Wieand Team G #7538 intake, w/ doninator flange, but I need to replace it. Looking at a Eldebrock Super Victor #2891, or possibly a Mopar Performance M1. Any "real world" data, performance wise, on switching intakes. I also have a TM7 intake w/ a 2" adapter to allow me to run my dominator, but I didn't see any difference at all between the Team G and the TM7.
Also the Team G is a real pita to install because of the center 2 bolts on both sides being shrouded by the runners. Are the super victors or the M1 any better in that department?
Also, is there another choice/option that I haven't mentioned that would work?
Drag race only, stock block 440, iron heads, hood clearance not a problem.

Thanks,

Brian Dunnigan

The M1 is supposed to be better as is the super victor.

I used to use long header bolts in those tight holes. especially the 12 point 3/8 head.

some reading hear Brian
http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/4portedintakemanifoldsupdated08272007.php

As you know, the "best" intake is combo/application dependant. But this summary of tests from the magazine might be helpful. It was a 452 (RB) with a small roller cam.

What is the rest of your combo (engine and converter/gear/tire)?

I do like the Edelbrock Victor series of intake.
The choice between the 4150 (#2954) w/adapter and 4500 (#2891) manifolds may not be as simple as it looks.

There is also a max wedge Super Victor (#2893) for other applications.
Edelbrock web site info

So you want an RB intake for standard port heads with Dominator flange?

The M1 4500 is a good intake as is the Edelbrock Super Victor. Not sure you'll really see much power difference between them. The M1 is lower profile if hood clearance is an issue. The M1 is also less expensive.

I've used both of those intakes on the dyno and haven't seen much difference between them. You can look at the tech articles on my website for more info if you're interested. www.arengineering.com then go to tech articles.

What a nice website Andy.

I think I downloaded the 451Manifesto 15 years ago.

Are all the 440 intakes making power max power below 6400 ten years after the chart above?

Thanks, yeah I spent a bunch of time this Spring working on the website. So now it is fairly useful and easy to work with.

The power band is going to be limited by the cross section of the standard port size. So yes, a typical 440 engine is going to have a torque peak around 4500 rpm regardless of which brand of intake manifold is on there. There just isn't any easy way around that.

As other's have posted, I don't think your combo will see much difference with either the Victor, Super Victor, or M1 4500, or even the Holley Street Dominator with a spacer/adapter. All should be an improvement over the Team G.

Since you have lots of hood (scoop) clearance, I would go with the regular Victor (4150) and a 2" Dominator adapter. But the Super Victor (4500) with a 1" cloverleaf spacer would be a good choice too, IMO.

Brian...I have a 4150 Victor intake that you could try if you spring for the shipping. No sense in buying something new unless you try it first!!

I tested the SV vs. the M1 4500 head to head on my 505. No real difference in power. The article is on my website.

The M1 intake is an inch shorter and costs less. You can sometimes find them for cheap at swap meets because a lot of people don't like the M1 intakes for some reason. It is a pretty good intake for the money, not sure why it isn't more popular.

I used a TM-7 for years in Super Gas and switched to a M-1 on a mild 440 with a DP 850 Holley and gained 1 1/2 tenths. Most racers I talked to that made the same switch had similar results. The TM-7 is an old manifold that works fine but I think the M-1 performs better.And of course every engine combo will respond differently.I can't say anything about other intakes because I have never had any experience with them.
Good Luck

FWIW, the various intake / carb / spacer tests we ran on Dwayne's dyno w/ my 451 Stage VI combination had peak torque between 4800 - 5100 and peak HP from 6200-6500. This was 10.8 CR, 266 @ .050" x .600" sft cam and 2" x 3.5" headers. These were all 4150-type intakes (MP M1 RB, Victor 440, MP Stage VI), too.

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Are you interested in selling the Team G 7538? I would be interested in buying it.

I have heard good results frm the M1 with 2 inch spacer.

mike