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Does VP110 go bad in the drum? #1274797
07/27/12 07:49 AM
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A friend of mine brought over a half full drum of VP110 that had been opened, used and resealed the same day, over a year ago. He is building a new car that will use a different type of fuel so he gave it to me. Is it safe to use? I have heard of it "spoiling" and actually ruining a friends HEMI. VP website says it will stay good in their drum indefinately. VP oxiginated fuels, not so. But 110 is listed as "stable". Do any of you use VP110 that has been stored in a sealed VP drum for this long?

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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Hemi ragtop] #1274798
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Yes it will be good for almost forever if it's sealed up. I stored a car with race gas for 17 years and am still using the same gas tank and carb today.

And I highly doubt gasoline ruined anyones engine.

Been selling race fuels since the 80s, I am a Sunoco dealer here in town.

Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Challenger 1] #1274799
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vp rep had c12 sealed drum for 10 years, still good, see vp website, plastic cans are for transport not storage

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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: 440lebaron] #1274800
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I've had vp go bad in my tank over the winter. It is totally possible for race fuel to go bad. It can separate and it won't fire off in your car. Never heard of it ruining an engine.


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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: 72Swinger] #1274801
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It will go bad in your car. Yes, that is not sealed.

Sealed container out of the sun should still be good. I have a truck load sure hope it is still good.

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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Hemi ragtop] #1274802
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When in doubt, throw it out Is it a teflon lined drum with the lids teflon coated? If not throw it out, if yes condensation even can occur with changing tempertaures in teflon lined drums

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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1274803
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as long as it was sealed run it

Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: jamesc] #1274804
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If the bung was on tight you should be good. A year isn't really all that long considering the fuel might be blended and sitting in storage months before it is purchased.

Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1274805
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When in doubt, throw it out Is it a teflon lined drum with the lids teflon coated? If not throw it out, if yes condensation even can occur with changing tempertaures in teflon lined drums





Geeez, put it in your daily driver, or your lawnmower. Never heard of anyone throwing fuel out, especially at the price it is today.

VP on it's worst day is still 10 times better than the crap we get at the pumps.


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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Grizzly] #1274806
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Even if it does have condensation in it, it will be at the bottom. Let it settle, then pump the fuel off the top and use it.

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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Hemi ragtop] #1274807
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If its in a steel drum you wont have any issues...
if its in a plastic drum it should have a permeation
barrier so the high ends cant escape... if its a drum
from a fuel company you should be fine... I've kept
drums of fuel for years in storage

Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1274808
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My local VP rep said in their drum it will last 5 years without loosing anything. He he has seen longer then that without any problems. This was straight from the VP office in Kansas.

Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: galen] #1274809
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Back in 1988 I was using a race fuel made in SO CA, Daeco, in my415 HP 1963 max wedge stocker. I bought a 55 gallon drum in the spring and raced the car at all five division 7 races as well as brackets and time trials before going to each of the division races. I ran the drum dry during the World finals and had to buy VP at the races, the car picked up every time I put more VP in the car, we where running class eleminations so every hundredths helped. I called VP the next week to see where I could buy there product in SO CA at that time, the rep I talked to said that I should use the complete 55 gallon drum up within three days of opening it I ask why and he siad that the upper aeromatics would evaporate off if I didn't and the octane rating would would go down Maybe he wanted to sell more VP, maybe he was being honest Hence my saying, when in doubt throw it out(use it up in something you can't hurt with bad gasoline) DO NOT learn the hard way by burning up your motor I've hurt parts by using fuel that was not good, stored in a plastic fuel jug


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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1274810
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Back in 1988 I was using a race fuel made in SO CA, Daeco, in my415 HP 1963 max wedge stocker. I bought a 55 gallon drum in the spring and raced the car at all five division 7 races as well as brackets and time trials before going to each of the division races. I ran the drum dry during the World finals and had to buy VP at the races, the car picked up every time I put more VP in the car, we where running class eleminations so every hundredths helped. I called VP the next week to see where I could buy there product in SO CA at that time, the rep I talked to said that I should use the complete 55 gallon drum up within three days of opening it I ask why and he siad that the upper aeromatics would evaporate off if I didn't and the octane rating would would go down Maybe he wanted to sell more VP, maybe he was being honest Hence my saying, when in doubt throw it out(use it up in something you can't hurt with bad gasoline) DO NOT learn the hard way by burning up your motor I've hurt parts by using fuel that was not good, stored in a plastic fuel jug




He was giving you a song and dance if you were storing
it in a steel drum(where will it evaporate to) plastic
without a permeation barrier can loose the high ends)

Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1274811
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I knew alot of snowmobile guys who used this approach.

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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: TrWaters] #1274812
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Quote:

I knew alot of snowmobile guys who used this approach.




I did this with a 275 gal overhead gravity discharge tank and methanol back around the late 80s. Used nitrogren to keep the air out.
Can be very dangerous as drums/tanks can only handle maybe 15 psi? (I would never go above 5 psi)and the larger tank the less pressure it can hold. And it's hard to get a safety valve set for 3-5 psi.

So in the long run it was not worth it, more hassel than the reward. Small leaks can eat your whole tank of gas quickly for one thing, the more empty the tank get's the more gas it takes.


This idea is along the same lines, I been using this for over 20 years to empty 55 gal drums. Discharge pipe get's screwed into the 2" bung and the pressure fitting goes in the 3/4" opening. Open 1/4 turn ball valve on the discharge side and crack open the valve with reg air pressure from your compressor into the drum and the fluid will come out right into your fuel jug or whatever with the drum sitting upright.

I open a 55 gal drum and fill 11 fuel jugs with methanol and hopefully only come home with 2-3 jugs worth. Can fill those 11 jugs quickly and safely if you know what youre doing, could never fill that many jugs every week with gravity or a sipon pump, it would take too long.



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Re: Does VP110 go bad in the drum? [Re: Challenger 1] #1274813
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i've run fuel that was at least three years old and you how much the car slowed down? zilch, zero, nada.

i often hear people keep talking about the "light ends" well for the most part what refinery workers refer to as light ends are lower octane components. BTX and motor alkylate are some of the higher octane blending components although the amount of benzene is strictly limited. also consider that the vapor pressure of TEL which is used to raise the octane of leaded fuels isn't very high.

keep drums tightly sealed and in the coolest dark (for plastic) place you can. it will last a lot longer than most people seem to think.







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