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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
[Re: jcc]
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08/12/12 02:04 AM
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As TC has just indicated, "custom valving" is the more correct term. Regardless if the shock is non-adjustable, or single or double adjustable, for the most serious effort in racing/competition, having them matched to your suspension and car is another advantage to add to your vehicle. So, when you're racing in the .001 of a second, on an autocross or road course competative event, everything matters. If your competitor who just beat you had his shocks re-valved to better suite his car, and you did not, you might consider doing so.
Mopar Mitch
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
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08/12/12 09:58 AM
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In circle track racing shock are dynoed when replacing, due to a crash etc... Off the shelf shocks are just not consistent enough to replace what you had. You often have to dyno several shocks to find one "close". ( rules dictate no take apart-rebuildable shocks) What I find difficult to wade through is all the "marketing" hype, and glitz when looking for a shock manufacturer. They all are "the best shock"  Not any time soon but in the future I will be replacing the Bilstein RCD shocks I have now. So far with the reaserch I've been able to do these are getting my attention? http://www.bilsteinus.com/products/circle-track-road-race/snsns-46mm-rebuildable-steel.html
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
[Re: astjp2]
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08/13/12 12:32 AM
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Mopar Mitch
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I know that QA1, as well as Strange, and also certain Koni specialist shops (as found in the SCCA Sports Car mgzn and related others)... will all revalve/rebuild the shocks... either new or old.. to better match your car and suspension setups. I'm cerain that Bilstein distributors can also have them done.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
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08/13/12 10:55 AM
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Wouldn't double adjustable shocks negate the need for custom valved shocke? I am thinking of something like the QA1 TD901's and 501's...Tim
Yes, but....
If you are actually racing, there are classes the expressly prohibit externally adjustable units. This means you need to be more particular about shock choices up front. In some instances, companies may offer the identical shock in 5 or 6 different valving combinations in a budget range shock to allow a wider selection. In higher end shocks, you may get a one time custom valving set up as part of the purchase price. These higher end shocks also tend to be rebuildable so it is entirely possible that while the entry price is very high, youmay never need to ever buy shcoks again for that vehicle.
Another potential drawback of double adjustables is that you need to keep meticulous notes of the set up, track conditions, and the shock settings to get them dialed in to such a degree to perform as well as a custom valved unit will right out of the box. This adjustability is great if you race in a variety of venues and conditions where you may need that little extra edge to find that additional .001 of a second to win.
If you are using double adjustables on a street cruiser with a set it and forget it approach, you are bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
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08/18/12 02:40 PM
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I have KYBs on my 73 Charger with 1.06" tbars and they are pretty bad. They seem like they cant control the spring and ride way too firm. Unfortunately us late 3rd gen guys are stuck with no real front shock choices. I'm hoping to play around with some Konis or Bilsteins to adapt them to fit.
Koni used to make these, in my experience, there's NOTHING else that will fit in the confines of a '73-79 B-body (front) and control the mush.
Incidentally, here's my shock "greatest hits" list, from best to worst:
Koni (NOT drag version)
Armstrong (NS1 as far as I know)
Bilstein
Gabriel 1-3/8" piston (NS1)
KYB
Monroe Gas-matic
Konis need to be set to at least 50% stiff to do the job. On the late B-bodies, make that 90% (front).
There's lots of new hi-tech shocks out there, some may be excellent. Most are too pricey for me, however.
Also, if you don't have the aluminum K-member "isolators" on your '73-up B, you are really missing out. he change is very dramatic -- becomes a "big Duster".
Rick
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
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08/18/12 02:49 PM
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Koni used to make these, in my experience, there's NOTHING else that will fit in the confines of a '73-79 B-body (front) and control the mush.
Not in its stock form. However, if you make some slight mods to the lower control arm, you can fit a 1st gen camaro shock in there quite nicely.
Application of the appraoch in a mopar F body. Notice the bottom of the shock mounting strap on the bottom of the lower control arm:
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
[Re: Montclaire]
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09/14/12 11:50 PM
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The Monroe's are fine on the street if your suspension is fine - worn out springs and bars are just that, worn out. The kybs do not make your car handle better, they just limit your suspension travel. Buy bars one stage above factory for your motor, and de-arched staggered hd springs and you will have a great street car. 
my suspension is fine.firm feel tubular uca,ss springs,moog parts,96 bars,stage 2 steering box.the monroes in my opinion felt lazy,especially in higher speed corner situations.
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
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09/15/12 03:54 PM
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And where, exactly, are you encountering high speed corner situations? If you are at, say, a sanctioned track, then no, monroes are not for you. But in any stretch of semi-legal operation on public roads, they should be all you need.
Last edited by Montclaire; 09/15/12 04:12 PM.
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
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09/15/12 05:39 PM
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And where, exactly, are you encountering high speed corner situations? If you are at, say, a sanctioned track, then no, monroes are not for you. But in any stretch of semi-legal operation on public roads, they should be all you need.
well thats your opinion,i was not to impressed with the $10 shock.the kyb may be a bit stiff but that is how i set my car up.if you love the monroes well run em.im just saying i like the kyb better.the end.geeez
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Re: FYI KYB VS Monroe gas shocks Experience .
[Re: roadrunninMark]
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09/17/12 04:43 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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I know a tech engineer working for Sachs... he was originally with Koni and he has spoken highly to me about the quality of Sachs, especially their hi-perf/racing dampers ("dampers" is the more proper word instead of "shocks" or shock absorbers.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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