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Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs #1262955
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Wanting to upgrade my shocks on my 1974 Dart 2dr.

Current set up is as follows:

6 cyl bars up front w/ Comp Engineering 3ways (90/10 setting)

002/003 Super Stocks in back. Pinion angle set at 6.5 degrees nose down, rear shackles orientated correctly (per the MP Chassis book).

Have Mopar Performance long drag shocks on back.


Car has iron head 440 w/ 727 auto, 30x9 slicks, 4.30 gears, 3300lbs race ready. I footbrake, leave at 1800rpm. (9.5 Dynamic Converter Hi gear "flashes" 5100 rpm)

Scaled car at race weight- no ballast I am 47.3% rear, 52.7% front.

100lbs in rear gets me very close to 50/50 (Never ran it that way)

Current best 60 ft 1.47. Problem I am having from watching it on video is that I appear to have excessive seperation in the back on launch.

Looking for your opinions as to what you feel would be the best value in adjustable shocks for front and rear with my set-up.

Thanks in advance......


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Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: 340man4ever] #1262956
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Have you clamped the SS springs any at all yet or are the stock clamps still on them in the stock locations ? If stock try using the clamps on evey leaf on the front half and try moving and staggering the rear clamps forward to control the body twist when leaving the line As far as rear shocks Calverts and Rancho 9 ways are suppose to be good I haven't used either of them,my car now has coil overs with ladder bars. I use to use a 50/50 truck or 1971 non gas Imperial shocks Are you sure you have to much chassis lift in the rear


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Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: Cab_Burge] #1262957
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Not sure if you really actually have a problem at all. The springs are supposed to seperate. I had S/S springs on my old car( Duster) that went consistant mid 1.3xx 60 foot with CE 3 ways all around, and did it extremely consistantly. High 9'S.
Pinion angle seems a little excessive( Imo) for leafs, i had mine set at almost 5 down and that was plenty.
Tried a couple of different times clamping springs, etc, but found they worked best exactly the way Mopar engineered them..lol..
What does you car run? Maybe it is 60 footing the way it should.

Unless your car is well down in the 10's i suspect you have it working great already.

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69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, low 10.30’s 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.56 at 104.17



Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: B3422W5] #1262958
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I have clamped all the leafs in the rear of the springs. Factory clamping in the front IIRC....

Car incrementals:

1.47 60
6.80 at 99.7mph 1/8th
10.77 at 122.8 1/4

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Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: 340man4ever] #1262959
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Whats the 60' now... make sure the front is moving
easy and try to get 4+" of travel... I'm not a fan
on the CE shocks... but if the front is working I
would look at QA1s or the AFCO shocks for the rear

Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1262960
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1.47 60ft


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Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: 340man4ever] #1262961
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Sorry for the hyjack but what heads and cam in the 440? Your running
What I want to run! Thanks! I'm watching this thread cause I'm on the
Fence on the SS for my car!


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Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: shoebox] #1262962
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I think your 60ft is good for your times, according to the wallace calc, it's good enough for a 10.58, which indicates that you need more top end power.
My best on ranchos was 1.43, my best on afco doubles, so far is 1.39, if the weather is good here next weekend i'm looking to better that but we are having the wettest summer i can remember. We've had more rain today, than the average for the whole of july normally.
Mick


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best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: 340man4ever] #1262963
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Quote:

1.47 60ft




Is that the typical 60' or your best.. weather and
track conditions play a major part... but shock are
one of the biggest improvements in years(along with tires)

Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: 340man4ever] #1262964
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I have clamped all the leafs in the rear of the springs. Factory clamping in the front IIRC....

Car incrementals:

1.47 60
6.80 at 99.7mph 1/8th
10.77 at 122.8 1/4



I would try unclamping the rear half(behind the rer end housing) and put it back with the one clamp like the factory sent them out with Then try moving the right side rear clamp towards the rear end, I think my best results where with the right rear clamp positioned one leaf back from the center bolt and the left side three leafs back from the center bolt, maybe not so on the drivers side because it was a really long time ago when I ran tha car at the track. My message is to try the rear clamps in different locations for the best results. That old car did like having all the clamps I could fit on the front half 1969 Dart 440 with a 727 and 3.91,29.5x10.5x15 M/T drag slicks, 1.52 60ft foot braking with 11.21 best ET at 122 MPH
What size fuel lines,filters sizes in microns and inlet and outlet sizes, pumps, needles and seats are you using now?

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Quote:

Quote:

I have clamped all the leafs in the rear of the springs. Factory clamping in the front IIRC....

Car incrementals:

1.47 60
6.80 at 99.7mph 1/8th
10.77 at 122.8 1/4



I would try unclamping the rear half(behind the rer end housing) and put it back with the one clamp like the factory sent them out with Then try moving the right side rear clamp towards the rear end, I think my best results where with the right rear clamp positioned one leaf back from the center bolt and the left side three leafs back from the center bolt, maybe not so on the drivers side because it was a really long time ago when I ran tha car at the track. My message is to try the rear clamps in different locations for the best results. That old car did like having all the clamps I could fit on the front half 1969 Dart 440 with a 727 and 3.91,29.5x10.5x15 M/T drag slicks, 1.52 60ft foot braking with 11.21 best ET at 122 MPH
What size fuel lines,filters sizes in microns and inlet and outlet sizes, pumps, needles and seats are you using now?




My opinion(useless) but you cant make the front segments
stiff enough... your trying to make them like a ladder
bar... rear clamps are a bit of a crap shoot based
on shocks and how well the weight transfers(front)...
years ago I clamped a 3/8 thick spring steel plate
on the front segments.... BIG difference...and that
was with some HD shocks of those days

Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1262966
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Mr P Body- 1.47-1.49 60fts have been typical thus far. (Two different tracks as well)

Cab- I have braided fuel lines -8 from cell to Holley regulator,3/8 NPT out of regulator, then -6 to both bowls of carb. Fuel pressure set at 7psi (Holley Blue pump) Fram hi performance fuel filter set up(before fuel pump, -8 size in and out through filter and pump) w/ replaceable (spin on type) filter. Carb is box stock(other than jetting) 850-HP- series double pumper (annular boosters).

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Mr P Body- 1.47-1.49 60fts have been typical thus far. (Two different tracks as well)

Cab- I have braided fuel lines -8 from cell to Holley regulator,3/8 NPT out of regulator, then -6 to both bowls of carb. Fuel pressure set at 7psi (Holley Blue pump) Fram hi performance fuel filter set up(before fuel pump, -8 size in and out through filter and pump) w/ replaceable (spin on type) filter. Carb is box stock(other than jetting) 850-HP- series double pumper (annular boosters).


You may have a fuel delivery issue, try jetting the car up enough to see if you can slow the MPH down in the 1/4, if you can you have enough fuel delivery, if you can't you don't Pure and simple, thier are so many ways for a fuel system to hurt you without you even knowing it so test to make sure that you have enough fuel delivery I'm still learning on what parts to use and whart parts not to use in a drag car fuel system Your 1/4 mile ET and MPH don't match your sixty foot times Good luck Keep us informed


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Re: Need good value in adjustable shocks- A body SS springs [Re: Cab_Burge] #1262969
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sounds like good advise from everybody ,my suggestion is maybe try the pinion snubber at different heights and see what happens .most people dont like to run them ,but what the heck ,mother mopar put them there for a reason ,I quess ,...if that dont work I would give the car to rook 440 ...you must deliver ,it tho ,if it had a roller I would pick it up ....
good luck my friend ....

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Thank you for all the help guys!

So shocks that have been mentioned:

Calverts
Rancho 9 ways
Competition Engineering 3ways
QA1's
AFCO's

Any others?


I will also try a snubber per Rook440's advice
and re-evaluate my fuel system (Thanks Cab)


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If you check into the Afco shocks, keep in mind that some of the mounting eyes are 1/2 and are not interchangeable.


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I'll try and post an add for some front shocks you may be interested in. Only 10 passes on them or so, but the car was down here in AZ so we re-did the front suspension and don't need them anymore. They were on our small block Duster.

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Keep it coming.......the front is suppose to work with the front right ? continue on the subject...
Dan

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I managed to find some tube that was right for mine, (11/16) and they seem ok up to now.
I use calvert 90/10 shocks on the front and i like them.
Mick


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best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36






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