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why paint the inside of the block ? #1250162
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why paint the inside of the block ?

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: Mr D21] #1250163
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To aid the oil draining back to the pan faster.

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: JohnRR] #1250164
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To aid the oil draining back to the pan faster. [/quote
oil temps go down too

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: BulletBob] #1250165
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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: JohnRR] #1250166
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To aid the oil draining back to the pan faster.




That and to potentially seal in any contaminates including sand from the block casting process that cleaning failed to remove... However if the paint fails to adhere it creates a problem almost as serious as the casting sand... Back in the 70's the paints of choice were Gyptol or Rustoleum Damp proof Primer.... A quick search shows products by both names are still available but I seriously doubt they contain the chemicals that made them effective 30 years ago....


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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1250167
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I think the name of the maker is Glyptal, Inc., and they make quite a few different special paints for different purposes.

What has been put in engines to aid draining, etc., was originally formulated by Glyptal for painting the innards of power plant generators.

Get it for $50 a quart here:

http://www.eastwood.com/glyptal-red-brush-on-1-qt.html

I wonder if Ferraris have this?


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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1250168
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yes it looks nice and professional but personally i just pressure wash the living crap out of blocks (with a 0° nozzle) before i assemble an engine. one thing's for sure none of my engines have paint chips in them. imho i've never considered drainback a huge problem to the point i would bother with the paint but that's just me.

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: jamesc] #1250169
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I have a '69 440 HP motor that was painted on the inside back in the late 70's....so the idea has been around for quite awhile!!!!!


I'm the CARETAKER of Weinstats '69 440 'cuda registry and have 104 of the 360 cars to date. 84 fastbacks/20 coupes. Always looking for new(REAL M-code) '69 440 'cudas to add to the registry so drop me a note if any are found or known. This isn't a publicly released registry. Thanks, Dave
Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: big-block-dave] #1250170
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I've always been to paranoid of the idea of the paint falling off and the chips going straight to the cam and eventually into the oil pan. Maybe it's not a big issue but I'm not in love with the idea.

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1250171
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Why? Mother Mopar would have done it, if it was GOOD.

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: 268RTs4ME] #1250172
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buy a new koleno block,they are powder coated inside and out.

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: 268RTs4ME] #1250173
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Why? Mother Mopar would have done it, if it was GOOD.


Think of it this way - if you don't get a really good stick to the paint it is going to start to lift and peel. Even if you get a good adhere it will still be questionable for how long. Then you will have plugged up mess leading to destruction.

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: 268RTs4ME] #1250174
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Why? Mother Mopar would have done it, if it was GOOD.




Yes. Because these cars were perfect in every way from the factory, and we should never modify anything to make it better!

This topic came up a few weeks or a month ago in the race/engine section where our resident engine builder were chiming in and the consensus in THAT thread was that it's a good thing, and when you follow the application steps, it'll resist a nuclear explosion

So, is it good? Is it bad? Does it flake off or does it stick till the block gets melted down to make a toaster?

The real answer is probably "do what you want and feel comfortable with"


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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1250175
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Glypytal was developed by General Electric as a coating for the insides of oil-filled transformers. In the '70s, when I first heard about it, the consensus among PRO engine builders was that the only paint they trusted to not peel off and clog the oil pickup screen was Glyptal. Most all the pro engine builders about whom I was reading were doing this. I even had a friend swipe a quart of Glyp from the electrical shop where he worked (I still have it).
The reason they gave were what was mentioned above. It aided oil drainback and it sealed in any casting sand that may still be in the iron.
The physical requirements for Glyptal are still the same as they were 40 years ago. There are probably new formulations, but they have to be equal in performance to the original.

Modern oil-shedding coatings are probably a step up from Glyptal. Now there are specialized coatings for every part of the engine.

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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: dogdays] #1250176
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DogDays,Your post is dead on. I've used it for 30+years Works great.

Ma Mopar & her engineers have used it You just don't use on daily drivers because the coolant temp tends to run a tad bit higher. Oil is a coolant as well as a lube

I know a guy who bought up a bunch of stuff that came from S&M/Jake King & the lifter valleys were all painted with it in the blocks that he bought Those engines were supplied by Ma Mopar

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: BulletBob] #1250177
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I think if it were a race block and I was trying to gain every advantage I would look into it, but if it's a street motor and you kept if full of oil, I can't imagine how the payoff would be worth the hassle of getting it right.


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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: Big Bad Bee] #1250178
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I've been using Rustoleum Red Damp Proof Primer to paint the inside of the Mopar blocks ever since Mike Landy told me what it was in one of there old Modified Production race Hemi motors in a Challenger motors at the 1970 or 71 MHRA Winternationals. I use it to seal the lifter valley and timing cover areas after deburring them with a high speed grinder, it seals any tiny cast iron grit residue not washed out after hot tanking the block the final time It also helps oil drain back some, I've been told I worked for a (actually three different ones) phone company for over thirty years, we used Glytol to seal screws and nuts onto electrical switches, just like Loctite does Glytol was developed as a sealer and corrosion resistant coating in a very harsh enviorment, oil transformers get very hot and some of that oil is highly toxic Is it needed, you decide BTW, I've never heard of the Rustoleum primer coming off, anything is possible though. I can't say the same thing about the red Glyptol though, I have seen chips of it in a oil filter we cut apart and inspected on one of my motors after being dnyo tested I used it once, not anymore after that

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Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1250179
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parts left out cost nothing and cause no service problems,
how many races have been won because of this procedure

Re: why paint the inside of the block ? [Re: jamesc] #1250180
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parts left out cost nothing and cause no service problems,
how many races have been won because of this procedure



A butt load!
Smokey Yunick pioneered it if I remember right & the majority of of winners since the early sixties have most likely used it.

The only time that I've seen it fail was when the block had been sprayed with WD40 after it came out of the vat to keep it from rusting & my buddy who built his own motor & didn't get all the WD washed out of the cast iron.







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