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Another Paint Problem #1248431 06/10/12 04:03 PM 06/10/12 04:03 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida cbusters OP super stock
cbusters OP super stock Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida	I had a few 69 Roadrunners in the late seventies, and they all had original paint. They were daily drivers, street racers, toys. I remember you could lay tools and parts on the fenders without the fear of a scratch. The paint seemed to be indestructible. I have had two recent paint jobs on a 69 RR project from different shops. The paint is so soft, you can dent it with your fingernail. Chips fall off with barely a bump. When you install a bolt, the paint rolls up. These are both two stage Rallye Green paint jobs, and there is a lot of metal flake in it. How can a HARD paint job be done. There has to be a better way. Even the Krylon used on some of the hardware stays soft.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: cbusters] #1248432 06/10/12 04:18 PM 06/10/12 04:18 PM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california M Mr D21 mopar
Mr D21 mopar M Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california	Im not a expert, but I believe original paint cars were done in Acrylic Enamel, modern paint jobs are a base coat plus a clear... I think that makes a big difference...

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: cbusters] #1248433 06/10/12 05:07 PM 06/10/12 05:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 891 wisconsin 1BAD68 super stock
1BAD68 super stock Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 891 wisconsin	if you can dent it with your fingernail, it's not cured yet. Don't know why but I know most all 2 stage paints are acrylic urethane and much tougher than the old acrylic enamel.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: 1BAD68] #1248434 06/10/12 10:38 PM 06/10/12 10:38 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida cbusters OP super stock
cbusters OP super stock Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida	The two current paint job were both base coat and clear. Is there any way to still do enamel?

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: 1BAD68] #1248435 06/10/12 10:44 PM 06/10/12 10:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: if you can dent it with your fingernail, it's not cured yet. Don't know why but I know most all 2 stage paints are acrylic urethane and much tougher than the old acrylic enamel. That's what keeps being said but then again saying it doesn't make it so.... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: cbusters] #1248436 06/11/12 12:01 AM 06/11/12 12:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida elitecustombody pro stock
elitecustombody pro stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida	How long ago has it been painted? I'd advise to let it sit for a month or two and let the paint cure

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: elitecustombody] #1248437 06/11/12 08:19 AM 06/11/12 08:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 323 A A57_RT Parts Problem
A57_RT Parts Problem A Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 323	Just wondering, is it possible your confusing to soft with to hard? Ive had that problem on a modern base/clear that acted soft but in reality was brittle and just as frustrating if indeed yours is soft.....hmmm. I ask brittle vs soft as long ago I had a soft paint job that you could leave a fingernail mark in it and a day in the sun it was smooth again. I shot my charger 500 two weeks ago with old school enamel, even got the classic orange peal in the right spots, its gotta sit another month at least. One last thought, were either paint jobs heated in a booth after the paintwork?

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: A57_RT ] #1248438 06/11/12 09:21 AM 06/11/12 09:21 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida cbusters OP super stock
cbusters OP super stock Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida	The paint is over two months old. It was not heated after paint, either time. When there is damage it is almost like the paint is waiting for a place to start peeling and a mild bump with a tool lifts a chunk of paint. Both paint jobs were done by different shops. Current paint is Dupont. Both of the new paint jobs are just very "Sensitive" to anything. Kind of reminds me of a person on blood thinners, the slightest bump and they bleed.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: cbusters] #1248439 06/11/12 09:34 AM 06/11/12 09:34 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	I blame the gummint. Can't use this anymore... Can't use that anymore... That's illegal now... This is banned now...

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: Commando1] #1248440 06/11/12 09:53 AM 06/11/12 09:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 891 wisconsin 1BAD68 super stock
1BAD68 super stock Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 891 wisconsin	Just a thought, I've read that waterborne paints take longer to cure than solvent based. Maybe they used waterborne paint?

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: 1BAD68] #1248441 06/11/12 10:15 AM 06/11/12 10:15 AM
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A57_RT Parts Problem A Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 323	Hmmmm....My chipper paint is Dupont Chromabase, and while you have your crystal ball out you dead on the blood thinner comment, I go get my inr checked this am, coumadin keeps me alive but dam it stinks to be on it. But seriously, sorry about your paint problems, ive been lucky in the way that any chipped area was an easy touch up and somthing bolted over it, but it will make one cringe to see a chip in your fresh paint. Current paint is Dupont. Both of the new paint jobs are just very "Sensitive" to anything. Kind of reminds me of a person on blood thinners, the slightest bump and they bleed.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: Commando1] #1248442 06/11/12 01:43 PM 06/11/12 01:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: I blame the gummint. Can't use this anymore... Can't use that anymore... That's illegal now... This is banned now... [/quote More true than most realize.... It's great to save the planet, but when the new product produces 50% less hazardous waste but the results are only 30% as effective your going backwards.... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1248443 06/12/12 12:30 PM 06/12/12 12:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 252 Seattle, WA. E edp enthusiast
edp enthusiast E Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 252 Seattle, WA.	it could be many different issues, improper paint mixing, prep issues, temperature. I add a minor amt. (10% ish) of hardener to the base, that helps with chip resistance. Clears cure to different firmness's, some are harder then others when cured. There are so many variables its hard to figure out whats up if your not the one who did the mixing, prep & spraying. what did the shop that sprayed it for you say?

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: edp] #1248444 06/13/12 12:07 AM 06/13/12 12:07 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida cbusters OP super stock
cbusters OP super stock Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida	The reply is, "That is the way the new paints are". And the two shops didn't know each other.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: cbusters] #1248445 06/13/12 12:58 AM 06/13/12 12:58 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california M Mr D21 mopar
Mr D21 mopar M Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california	Acrylic Enamel is still available - My 70 Challenger FC7 will be shot with it. My painter laughed a bit at first, since he hasnt used it since high school auto, but he is now looking forward to it.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: Mr D21] #1248446 06/13/12 01:21 AM 06/13/12 01:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Acrylic Enamel is still available - My 70 Challenger FC7 will be shot with it. My painter laughed a bit at first, since he hasnt used it since high school auto, but he is now looking forward to it. And your buying this where? I hope you've sourced the reducer & hardener too.. I prefer Acrylic Enamel but if your spraying it at a shop here in California you better hope C.A.R.B. doesn't randomly tour your shop for a couple months after you've sprayed it... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1248447 06/13/12 07:36 AM 06/13/12 07:36 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida cbusters OP super stock
cbusters OP super stock Joined: May 2005 Posts: 784 Florida	I have read somewhere that the components can be purchased outside of the US and brought in, and then it just has to be mixed. Apparently it can't be purchased in the States premixed, but separate is ok.

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1248448 06/13/12 10:23 AM 06/13/12 10:23 AM
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california M Mr D21 mopar
Mr D21 mopar M Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 592 california	You can buy the paint in Santa Cruz (Im sure its available in other counties as well), I havnt thought about the reducer or hardner, hopefully that's not a factor,,, Its being painted in the Bay Area - so please dont call CARB....

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: Mr D21] #1248449 06/13/12 02:01 PM 06/13/12 02:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 252 Seattle, WA. E edp enthusiast
edp enthusiast E Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 252 Seattle, WA.	Quote: "That is the way the new paints are". thats a pretty shi**y answer, if thats the way modern paints are you could walk around town sticking fingernails into new cars & scratching the paint. What did you pay for expectation wise & how much, what type & process of prep was done, what exact type of paint (you said "Dupont" - which one?) & materials was used, were the shops reputable, what kind of warranty was given. All questions I'd ask them directly & there not intended to point the finger at the shop necessarily rather investigate for answers & determine a cause so it can be repaired. I'm not a professional painter but have shot a few things pretty well & have learned from my mistakes along the way. As with anything proper prep, process & correct materials are critical to a great result. E

Re: Another Paint Problem [Re: Mr D21] #1248450 06/13/12 06:12 PM 06/13/12 06:12 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 166 Los Altos Hills, CA Dans 68 member
Dans 68 member Joined: May 2005 Posts: 166 Los Altos Hills, CA	Quote: You can buy the paint in Santa Cruz (Im sure its available in other counties as well), I havnt thought about the reducer or hardner, hopefully that's not a factor,,, Its being painted in the Bay Area - so please dont call CARB.... P/M me the shop you found that will do this. I'd love to get QQ-1 on my Charger.... Dan

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