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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: mcat4321]
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06/01/12 04:58 PM
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i help with a unlimited 8.5 car.
the tire size is 9 inches wide, it goes low 1.2x sixty foot. it runs low 5's in 1/8.
it take a certain mind set to do that. in the time after the burn out, the driver needs to check all gauges, turn on nitrous, open bottle , find the best part of the track as possible , pre stage bump im... all while worrying about how the car is going to react... will it hook and go, will it blow the tires off? will it stand straight up?, all of which he has to deal with differently... so if anything having your buddy put you in the beams is just a little comforting. having him put you in the best groove is that much more comforting. and knowing he is making sure your perfectly straight, so you dont mow the tree if it wheels stands helps too. its a lot mental
Not saying this doesnt help, But I also have a good friend runs real street with a 4000 lb chevelle on small radials, turbo car runs low 8's at high 160's and I have never seen him get any help. Just saying! 
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: mcat4321]
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06/01/12 08:22 PM
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in the time after the burn out, the driver needs to check all gauges, turn on nitrous, open bottle , find the best part of the track as possible , pre stage bump im... all while worrying about how the car is going to react... will it hook and go, will it blow the tires off? will it stand straight up?,
Well I drive a low 11 sec street car, and when I'm at the track I have to worry/think about all of those things too. Well except for nitrous or standing up straight.
The turbo car reason is the best I've heard so far.
codfish
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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06/01/12 10:46 PM
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The Rules at most tracks say you can have 1 helper so why not use them.That's an extra set of eyes to help check every thing like oil or lose parts left over by other cars. Unlike a lot of people I can load my race-car in the trailer unload it and race it at the track all by myself I need no help what so ever,but it makes everything so much easier when you have good help.At the present I have 2 of the Best that I have ever had in my 25+ years racing,so yes they are going to be out there with the car every time.
If you want to Win races you have got to be on top of everything that is going on,and 1 person just can not do that. 
BINGO! Smart racers do just that. Doesn't matter if its a 16-sec car or 6-sec car in the 1/4, its all about having at least a 2nd set of eyes on the car, and the track so that you or the car can live to make another pass.
Every one of you guys who are saying its not needed know that if you pull up to the line, launch and put your car into the wall or close enough to doing it (because of some mechanical failure or fluid loss) you know you'll have someone out there the next time. Maybe not to put you in the beams, but to give things a 2nd look before you launch.
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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06/02/12 12:36 AM
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When i run left sometimes i have someone help me. My scoop is so big an my helment can only go to right right so far becouse it hits halo. I dont do it all the time but its handy. It attracts alot of attention an sometimes i really dont want that.
Shawn Jennings
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
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06/02/12 12:53 AM
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When i run left sometimes i have someone help me. My scoop is so big an my helment can only go to right right so far becouse it hits halo. I dont do it all the time but its handy. It attracts alot of attention an sometimes i really dont want that.
GOOD GOD... how do you get in your car with the side
bars bent up like that... I would have run them
straight or bent down
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: Leon441]
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06/02/12 07:48 AM
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If a racer needs 10 extra set of eyes to cover his incompetence as a driver, I say go for it. But, if one of you A-holes steps in the beams and lights the stage bulbs don't get mad that I turned mine on.
I have a huge boxe of of winners trophys and a couple more of winner ups. And never did I want or need anyone to line me in the groove or help me stage. To me it just seems to be part of driving. In fact if you volunteer and I tell you not to mess with me after the burnout you might end up running for you life when you do it anyway. 23 years racing the same car if I can't find the groove and what part of the groove I desire and stage myself it is time to turn the responsibilities over to someone who can.
There are some cases like a clutch car, boosted car, or a new driver that needs a little help until adjusted with a particular track. Sometimes racing a new track you have trouble getting to the first stage bulb. Maybe a guy who let's you know how close you are to the beam is good. But, more often than not the helpers step in the beams. This should be an immediate disqualification IMO.
Leon
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: Leon441]
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06/02/12 08:06 AM
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Thought the topic was getting into the beams .I agree with most too many helpers . If you can't get to the prestage then to the stage beams you need another sport . Or get a hood scoop that you can see over ,around. Even a pro car shouldn't get help . Guess a turbo car needs all the help it can get .  because its fast.
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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06/02/12 08:48 AM
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I used to think Atco was bad...til I went to Milan last weekend...the entourages are one thing...plus they let spectators stand close enough to the water box you could touch the cars...I've seen street racing that was safer/more organized...haha
Milan never use to be that way... but I havent been
to the heads up in 2 years
He's probably talking about the no ET Nationals. It's a different Milan that day.
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: dustergirl340]
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06/02/12 09:50 AM
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: Leon441]
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06/02/12 09:58 AM
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Hey 383man from your picture it looks like you are in the far right side of the grove. Just sayin!
Na thats just an illusion. Look at the right rear tire and you can see its right in the middle.  Ron
I would agree Ron you are in the groove. The glossy black is the VHT. The flat black stripes in the glossy black are the grove. Appears to me Ron you are in the groove.
Leon
Of course I am groovey I grew up in the 60's and 70's. Ron
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: codfish]
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06/02/12 12:11 PM
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in the time after the burn out, the driver needs to check all gauges, turn on nitrous, open bottle , find the best part of the track as possible , pre stage bump im... all while worrying about how the car is going to react... will it hook and go, will it blow the tires off? will it stand straight up?,
Well I drive a low 11 sec street car, and when I'm at the track I have to worry/think about all of those things too. Well except for nitrous or standing up straight.
The turbo car reason is the best I've heard so far.
codfish
low 11 and low 8's..a little different mind set 
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: mcat4321]
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06/02/12 03:01 PM
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Ok I am going to jump in on this.
I agree all the Klinger wanna bes need to go. No need for 10-15 people for one car.
Josh, your turbo example is perfect. The fast cars need it. Less for the driver to worry about. as mentioned above, get all set go through your routine and then roll forever to the prestage, sorry, I think that would mess with 99% of the people here. expecting the light to be a foot or 2 and it is 6 or more.
Now for being a hater on 4-5 guys with a car on the line at test and tune, be it a 8 second car or a 12 second car. The 8 second car, yeah needed, EDIT: Can it be done with less, sure. But if 4-5 guys is a normal race routine, why mess with it. If only 1-2 are normal, great 1-2 on the line is what is needed. It is good practice for the crew too, stayin in the routine. END EDIT 12 second? Maybe, how do you know there is not an issue they are trying to sort and extra eyes will help find it. New build? New car to them? new combo? alot of variables.
So get the Kingers off the track, crew only limit 5.
sorry for the rant.
Last edited by mopartony; 06/02/12 03:06 PM.
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Re: Why do some need help finding the staging beams??
[Re: mcat4321]
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06/02/12 11:19 PM
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in the time after the burn out, the driver needs to check all gauges, turn on nitrous, open bottle , find the best part of the track as possible , pre stage bump im... all while worrying about how the car is going to react... will it hook and go, will it blow the tires off? will it stand straight up?,
Well I drive a low 11 sec street car, and when I'm at the track I have to worry/think about all of those things too. Well except for nitrous or standing up straight.
The turbo car reason is the best I've heard so far.
codfish
low 11 and low 8's..a little different mind set
Naw. Still lookin at and checking same things.
codfish
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