Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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On the damper...Use some paint or fingernail polish on the timing mark....Lots easier to see!!
Exactly
I'd put a mark at 15 and 30BTDC or 20 and 40BTDC so you can see it clearly. Even a sharpie will work.
I WOULD NOT set it using total timimg method at this point if you are trying to sort out the idle. If that distributor has 28 degrees of mechanical advance in it. You're gonna be screwed trying to get a good idle because if you total time it at 35* you'll only have about 7* initial.. NOT GOOD!
Make sure the float levels are set properly as well.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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Should be able to idle that down to the 950-1000 range if everything is right.
I'll say I'd put about 20-22 initial timing on it. That's where my 340 with a 528 mechanical wanted it.
Rebel and RobX, I am not sure how to set initial timing I guess. I thought initial timing had to be set below 1,000rpm and above that your distributor started to advance...I guess I may be wrong. If I am I could tell you what I have it set at tomorrow probably. IIRC I tried to set it at 23deg.
As long as it's not bleeding in mechanical advance at idle, you're setting initial. Don't worry about total at this point. Not sure why you are having trouble seeing it. Pretty easy unless you have a chrome damper or no marks to reference.
23 initial, if correct, is a decent starting point for that set up IMO.
If using a stock damper, hillbilly timing tape it.
Its a nice shiny SFI damper from Summit and it is kind of difficult to read. I will do it in the garage this afternoon and see what it says.
dartman366, how high do I need to have the rpms to make sure I am reading total timing and what should that number be?
10 o to go, my distributor is a factory electronic with vacuum advance, BUT I have the vacuum line blocked off. When I rev it up it comes right back to 1,400rpm
Get it up to 3000rpm to set the total timing...34* should be close for testing... then you can tweek it in on the track.... if it drops right back to 1400 it sounds like its a mech issue... check the secondary screw to see if its too high.... IF you want to pull the carb off to set the transfer slot you can... once its off flip it over(gas will pour out) and look at the slot at the throttle blades....set the throttle so that the slot makes a square hole... if the blades are open too far you are past the idle circuit so the idle mixture screws wont have any effect... so get it down on the idle then mess with the mixture and idle set screw...... you said that the throttle cable has some slack so that MOST LIKELY isnt the issue... check the secondary screw... timing comes first though... then the carb
Mike you treed me, just talked to a fellow who had the same issue with a 950 and it ended up being the idle screw for the secondarys, mis adjusted and held the throttle plates open just a little too far, hopefully thats all it is, but Mike is correct.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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Jeremy, Back in the old days ( I know you are pretty young compared to some of us),Holley carburetors only had mixture screws on the primary metering block. Later on they went to 4 corner idle mixture settings. When swithcing to a Proform main body(at least back when this one was done) they tell you which idle air bleed to use for the rear depending on if you have 2 corner idle mixture or 4. Yours has all this done. It ran well on a 10.80 440 and a 11.80 360 street car so I know it will work for you. When you freshened the carb,there is a chance you may have something misaligned so the throttle plates are hanging up. Like I told you in the P.M.,send it to me and I will dial it back in for you. If you are afraid you won't get it back in time,I will send you a safely tuned HP950 to use for Monster Mopar and then you can trade me back later. This 950 is the small bore Holley made one that has the same venturi size as an older 750 so it should work well for you. Let me know if I can help. Keith
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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I checked the timing at 1,400rpm and it was between 21 and 22 far as I can tell, so I was close. I will mess with it if I have problems. I checked the secondaries by pushing down on them with a flat blade screwdriver, and it wanted to die. Sooo...I am guessing that is my problem. I played with it and the primary idle adjustment screw and it is really finicky. It will idle around 1,100 then die, kinda like when I first put it on. If I adjust the primary idle to idle it up slightly...right back up to 1,400rpm. But it is still stupid rich like it could be a power valve, burns my eyes. Keith, I will try to install a power valve and see if that helps. If that doesn't, I may just have to take you up on that. I appreciate that you would even offer to do that for me!
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'71 Sassy Grass Demon 340/904. Pump gas, 1.61 60ft, 7.439 1/8 @ 95mph, 11.824 1/4 @ 111mph
"Not too bad for a pump gas 340, full of used parts and hillbilly ported stock heads." - V.B.
'03 2500 5.9L HO 6-spd on 35's. 395hp/755ft-lb at tires.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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06/01/12 08:34 AM
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In would think with that cam you would want 36 degrees at 1400 rpms (total all in) bigger cams (and a 242 in a 340 is big enough) need lots of advance at idle to make them idle right. Yours will probably need 28 to 30 at 900 to idle right Put the lightest springs you can find in the dizzy! You can test it by advancing till you get a good idle set and check where that put you at in gear. The total will be way to far advanced but this is just a test to find where it needs to be to allow you to set your idle to keep it running nice then you will know how much faster it needs to advance to hold your idle! I would think 900 to 1000 in gear would be acceptable idle with a bigger cam.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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In would think with that cam you would want 36 degrees at 1400 rpms (total all in) bigger cams (and a 242 in a 340 is big enough) need lots of advance at idle to make them idle right. Yours will probably need 28 to 30 at 900 to idle right Put the lightest springs you can find in the dizzy!
You can test it by advancing till you get a good idle set and check where that put you at in gear. The total will be way to far advanced but this is just a test to find where it needs to be to allow you to set your idle to keep it running nice then you will know how much faster it needs to advance to hold your idle!
I would think 900 to 1000 in gear would be acceptable idle with a bigger cam.
Really? I thought 700 in gear and 900 in neutral was ideal. But I am used to small hydraulic cams.
Where can I get lighter springs? Would I be better off getting a different distributor in the future?
Dbl"00"Joe and dartman366, I did take the carb apart again last night to check it out, clean the ports and such. Gasket seemed fine. I was going to install new powervalves too. The front one was blank, and the rear "looked" fine, but I installed two new powervalves. Was this the right thing to do or should I have left the blank in the front? I got it together last night but at midnight so I couldn't start it, people would not have been so happy with me.
Cheatham, I checked the throttle shafts and they were tight.
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"Not too bad for a pump gas 340, full of used parts and hillbilly ported stock heads." - V.B.
'03 2500 5.9L HO 6-spd on 35's. 395hp/755ft-lb at tires.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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The rear power valve should be blocked off,and the front should have a 6.5 power valve to start with. Either you mixed them up,or possibly you swapped the metering blocks from front to rear. The front metering block will have the mixture screws and power valve. The jetting will have to be changed if you add power valves where they were not before.
Keith
Crap..may have done that the last time. Well, I will switch that out. Messing with timing helps, and it doesn't lol. Still having issues with it wanting to die. Will plug the rear off and start over again. I am able to get it down to 1,100 right now, but after 15-30sec it wants to die.
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'71 Sassy Grass Demon 340/904. Pump gas, 1.61 60ft, 7.439 1/8 @ 95mph, 11.824 1/4 @ 111mph
"Not too bad for a pump gas 340, full of used parts and hillbilly ported stock heads." - V.B.
'03 2500 5.9L HO 6-spd on 35's. 395hp/755ft-lb at tires.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
[Re: knyech1]
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06/01/12 04:14 PM
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So I'll assume you have a stock style electronic! Mr gasket 925B through any speed shop http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MRG-925B/Or mopar performance from a dealer or speed shop. P2932675 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCC-2932675/With an 800 holley I would go 5.5 power valve front with 72 jets and Block in the rear with 86 jets (76 or 77 rear if power valve used) with blocks 80 front and 86 rear nice to set it this way with no power valves at first as you don't have to worry about a power valve opening at idle making it pig rich. Think you'll find it will not idle till it has more so keep advancing it at idle till it will and you can set it once you get a good idle check your timing will likely be near 30 and this would likely give you 45 or so total but since you are not driving it will hurt nothing. Then install a light spring kit to the dizzy till you get the required idle and 35 36 total.
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Re: My Holley Idles Too High!!
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Well...I put the powervalve on the correct end, and messed with the timing. When I got it to 28deg the rpms shot up and it started running right. So I set the idle from there, 1,000rpm idle 800-900rpm curb idle. Took it to the track and it ran great, ran some 8.0s on street tires, no transbrake/delay box the whole night. For some reason it was stuttering when I shifted into 2nd and 3rd, but only for maybe a half second and it would take off again. Weird I need to figure that out.
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'71 Sassy Grass Demon 340/904. Pump gas, 1.61 60ft, 7.439 1/8 @ 95mph, 11.824 1/4 @ 111mph
"Not too bad for a pump gas 340, full of used parts and hillbilly ported stock heads." - V.B.
'03 2500 5.9L HO 6-spd on 35's. 395hp/755ft-lb at tires.
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