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Re: Original or not fender tag? #1237534 06/06/12 02:36 PM 06/06/12 02:36 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: I might just try and make mine look good again rather than replace it. Though the only time I would support a reproduction tag is one built off of a legible original, if keeping the original on the car is an option, it is by far the preferrable way to go. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: KWF340] #1237535 06/06/12 05:46 PM 06/06/12 05:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,037 The New Jersey Hinterlands Sssnake383 Old and boring
Sssnake383 Old and boring Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,037 The New Jersey Hinterlands	Quote: Looking at this '69 bee and wondering if the fender tag is legit. Were inspection stamps/punches typically found in '69 St. Louis cars? As others stated, the tag in the picture is missing the commonly seen stamps and inspector's punches commonly found on St. Louis tags, and apparently is unbent. 1969 St. Louis tags were usually bent. I've never seen a (genuine) tag with the G15 tinted windshield code. That would be on the broadcast sheet only, AFAIK. Also, I think that G31 and G33 codes would not be called out on the fendertag, either - broadcast only. I'd be doubtful.

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: JohnRR] #1237536 06/06/12 08:21 PM 06/06/12 08:21 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon D Dougsmopars top fuel
Dougsmopars top fuel D Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,295 dark side of the moon	Joe lays out every tag with the codes given to him. Before he stamps any tag he has an OE Gold judge look at the lay out to insure it contains the proper font proper placement and correct codes apear on the tag. No he is not saying it is a real tag. But as mentioned many suppliers enter codes that wouldn't be on a real tag. A good OE judge would pick that out before the tag is stamped. If it is being made from an orignal tag he makes sure it all looks correct aligment spacing font ect. The tags are correct size not incorrect like some out there. There not cheap and because the judge is not an in house employee and he has to wait for him to come in it takes 8 10 or more weeks to get one. I'm not saying there perfect and without an orignal to go by he can only go by the info you supply. But they do the best job of reproducing fender tags. He did one for me based off my rusted orignal and i could not find anything different about it. It looked identical in every respect to the orignal.

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: Dougsmopars] #1237537 06/06/12 08:56 PM 06/06/12 08:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	trimtags There are 5 samples of MOPAR tags pictured on the web site - after a quick look 4 of them have errors, were these inspected by his OE judge? I know a little about Oldsmobiles - he's guessing there also. Last edited by 6bblgt; 06/06/12 09:01 PM.

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: 6bblgt] #1237538 06/06/12 09:18 PM 06/06/12 09:18 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 406 California City, CA dart440 mopar
dart440 mopar Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 406 California City, CA	So some personal research into what is correct/incorrect is in order before having them do a tag for you. Ensure only codes appropriate for your vehicle are on the tag, some items on broadcast sheet do not go on the tag (i.e.; not all options go on the fender tag). Ensure all codes that are supposed to be on the tag are there. Ensure the codes are in the correct sequence (placement) on the tag. Scheduled Production Date and Vehicle Order Number (VON) would be only a guess if you don't have a broadcast sheet. You can get close by looking at other cars from the same plant with close VIN sequence numbers, but without a Broadcast sheet or other documentation, they will just be a guess. Finally, you'll have to figure out what inspector stamps (punch-outs) that you will need to replicate for the St. Louis plant are common for your vehicle. When you work on Spaceships for a living, how bad can a workday be?

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: dart440] #1237539 06/06/12 09:45 PM 06/06/12 09:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 299 Hinckley, Ohio KWF340 OP enthusiast
KWF340 OP enthusiast Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 299 Hinckley, Ohio	Quote: Scheduled Production Date and Vehicle Order Number (VON) would be only a guess if you don't have a broadcast sheet. Some people guess when they don't need to. Even with what appears to be an original broadcast sheet who ever made/ordered the tag guessed on the VON. 69 bee 1968 Charger R/T, 440 Auto, GG1; 1969 Super Bee, 383, 4-speed, T5; 1969.5 Road Runner, 440-6, 4-speed, 96; 1970 Duster 340, 4-speed, EV2; 1970 Charger R/T SE, 440 (496), Auto, EB3; 1970 Dart Swinger 340 (416), 4-speed, EV2; 1970 Corvette coupe, LS5, 4-speed, Daytona yellow; 2000 Corvette coupe, LS1, 6-speed, Twin Turbo, Torch red.

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: Sssnake383] #1237540 06/07/12 12:19 AM 06/07/12 12:19 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808 AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here
AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Quote: Quote: Looking at this '69 bee and wondering if the fender tag is legit. Were inspection stamps/punches typically found in '69 St. Louis cars? As others stated, the tag in the picture is missing the commonly seen stamps and inspector's punches commonly found on St. Louis tags, and apparently is unbent. 1969 St. Louis tags were usually bent. I've never seen a (genuine) tag with the G15 tinted windshield code. That would be on the broadcast sheet only, AFAIK. Also, I think that G31 and G33 codes would not be called out on the fendertag, either - broadcast only. I'd be doubtful. Wrong, G31 and G33 will be called out on a STL car, this car is 1 after my 500 vert, my tag is missing, a new one will have NEWTAG in place of the order number 7239723-69_WP27_E63_D32_R6_202279.jpg (105 downloads) Last edited by AZ_A12_BEE; 06/07/12 12:21 AM. 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE] #1237541 06/07/12 03:04 AM 06/07/12 03:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,957 West Coast, CA T Troy master
Troy master T Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,957 West Coast, CA	....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE] #1237542 06/07/12 09:16 AM 06/07/12 09:16 AM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,037 The New Jersey Hinterlands Sssnake383 Old and boring
Sssnake383 Old and boring Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,037 The New Jersey Hinterlands	Quote: Wrong, G31 and G33 will be called out on a STL car, this car is 1 after my 500 vert, my tag is missing, a new one will have NEWTAG in place of the order number Okay, thanks for the correction...as I said "I think..." as I wasn't positive about the mirror codes being called out. Still, no G15 code on a St. Louis tag.

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: Sssnake383] #1237543 06/07/12 10:03 AM 06/07/12 10:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,106 CANADA Desmond super stock
Desmond super stock Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,106 CANADA	Unless you have the original OR are going from a copy of the broadcast sheet, Vegas odds are your tag will be wrong.

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Re: Original or not fender tag? #1237545 06/11/12 02:39 PM 06/11/12 02:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa 69CoronetRT master
69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: I have been investigating cars and heard of wing cars that were taken apart at the dealer and sold as regular chargers. Would that make a big difference in that type of oe judging if a car was registered with the DOT as a regular car and turned back into the model it was built as? The VIN wasn't changed so 'it was what it was'. The DMV wouldn't care. Only the appearance was changed. An XX Daytona was still 'born' as a Daytona regardless of it still had it's original nose or wing. The car would still be registered with a DMV with the XX VIN. Super Birds would still be registerd as RM Road Runners. Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

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Re: Original or not fender tag? #1237547 06/11/12 03:53 PM 06/11/12 03:53 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	Gantz, these stories have been passed around for years. Not saying it didn't happen, just that it would be great to have more info/documentation to back this one up. Original VIN, selling dealer, any old/current pics, current title (human identifying info can be blocked out), anything to back this up would be great!

Re: Original or not fender tag? #1237548 06/11/12 03:57 PM 06/11/12 03:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	Quote: I have a friend who was sales manager over a dealership that sold new a 1969 daytona. He said they couldn't sell the car so they took the wing and front end off and threw it in the dumpster. Really. They threw the parts away. The DMV has the car listed as an xs and not an xx. We checked with the head guy at the DMV and he said the car is registered as an xs. He said they never would have given the same last 6 sequence numbers to 2 different vehicles so it had to be the same car. The who/what/where of most Daytonas are well known - any specifics of this particular car? Dealership/fender tag/VIN info?? lots of stories - few with any evidence or proof

Re: Original or not fender tag? [Re: 6bblgt] #1237549 06/11/12 07:28 PM 06/11/12 07:28 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa 69CoronetRT master
69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: I have a friend who was sales manager over a dealership that sold new a 1969 daytona. He said they couldn't sell the car so they took the wing and front end off and threw it in the dumpster. Really. They threw the parts away. The DMV has the car listed as an xs and not an xx. We checked with the head guy at the DMV and he said the car is registered as an xs. He said they never would have given the same last 6 sequence numbers to 2 different vehicles so it had to be the same car. Two thoughts.... Are there Daytonas with known XS VINs? Removing the nose and tail then changing the VIN to an XS to register the car would not only be unnecessary, it would be illegal. The title and registration would never match the VIN plate. The DMV wouldn't care if it had a nose and tail or not and a dealer wouldn't risk changing it. Cars from different plant could certainly have the same last six sequence numbers. A 1969 Hamtramck built Charger and a St. Louis built Charger could have the same VINs with the exception of the plant code. It would be pure coincidence but the possibility exists. Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

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