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Re: Should you be able to trust your engine builder?
[Re: rt66jim]
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05/15/12 01:21 PM
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Well most who have posted on this tread have at some point in the past. Lamented how there is not much techno exchange here anymore. As most the the builders have left. Curtis Boggs, Fast68Plymouth, DTHEMI to name a few no longer post. I'm sure Ryan will be added to the list. I learned alot from those guys.
But as I recall in the Bible it says if you have a problem with someone. Go to them and try and resolve it first. Before bringing it to the community.
I understand Brian didn't want to ship his parts or trust RJ. That was his decision to make. But I think he nothing to loose except his effort. To at least give RJ a chance to offer some sort of resolution.
I have lost respect for some in this post. I'm sure nobody cares anyway and I'm fine with that. But at the end of the day we are all only as good as our word. Jim
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ryan already left this site,he just came back on to tell his side of the story in this thread.
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Re: Should you be able to trust your engine builder?
[Re: rt66jim]
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05/15/12 05:46 PM
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Well most who have posted on this tread have at some point in the past. Lamented how there is not much techno exchange here anymore. As most the the builders have left. Curtis Boggs, Fast68Plymouth, DTHEMI to name a few no longer post. I'm sure Ryan will be added to the list. I learned alot from those guys.
But as I recall in the Bible it says if you have a problem with someone. Go to them and try and resolve it first. Before bringing it to the community.
I understand Brian didn't want to ship his parts or trust RJ. That was his decision to make. But I think he nothing to loose except his effort. To at least give RJ a chance to offer some sort of resolution.
I have lost respect for some in this post. I'm sure nobody cares anyway and I'm fine with that. But at the end of the day we are all only as good as our word. Jim
Jim the thread title says "TRUST" and Brian has lost his trust of the builder so no reason to go back IMO.
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Re: Should you be able to trust your engine builder?
[Re: rt66jim]
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05/15/12 07:07 PM
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I understand that. Not blaming him for taking the parts elsewhere. That's his right. The way I've read it he just didn't give the party with whom he had the problem a chance to make it right first.
If the OP dosnt trust said machine shop anymore, thats a good reason for not letting the shop "try" to make it better. He already failed.
Kasey
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Re: Should you be able to trust your engine builder?
[Re: b1dartsport]
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05/15/12 08:06 PM
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Boys, THINK.... A USED set of lifters were put in a new radical build. I would bet my shop that Ryan said--use them at your risk. A roller lifter is the most failure prone item in a race engine--Period! And there is NO way that a roller strength spring that was .200 from coil bind let that lifter fail--No freaking way! It is all that simple.
We all face cost isssues and try to find ways around it. Putting used parts in is one way. You always have to "talk" the builder into it but after hearing it hundreds of times they usually say--OK it is your baby. What are they going to do???Say oh no way you MUST spend the extra $750--then someone would complain about that!
You have to remember that while that thing is on the dyno the builder is on the hook for every part makers design, metalurgy, hardening process, material selection, workmanship, etc Is THAT fair? Heck no! WHY do engine builders risk all that for a pretty slim profit margin--WHY do they take that giant gamble--Who knows--any business advisor would say they are crazy and it is bad business to take such risk for so little net profit.
They do it because they LOVE HP and racing and the competition and the great releationships that develop over the years, THE WINS!But it is not a smart decision or a smart business model. And lets not forget....we are playing in a very risky arena PERIOD. Any of you weld? Have a guy die in a car you welded? Hope not--an engine won't kill anything but your wallet, simple fact of racing and going fast. Do you think that Richard Petty yelled at Dale Inman? Heck no--they blew up more engines in 40 years than you could bury with a Caterpillar--They KNEW it would and could happen for a thousand different reasons.
Please lets end this thread. Lock it up!
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Re: Should you be able to trust your engine builder?
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05/15/12 09:58 PM
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So it's OK for Ryan to badmouth other business' on this forum and you guys are good with that? Oh and if you don't remember here you go....
"Tried my Brand new Pro Systems 850 Annular blow through carb, for second time, it did not run worth a carp on dyno a month ago so sent it back to PS & they claimed they tore it apart, found nothing wrong, put it on a motor, put it under light load & it worked "fine" & sent it back... well, we forced it to make a pull, but you would'nt want to see the graphs, it was UGLY & sounded like it was going to vibrate my motor to death, I've never seen one that bad... that carb is JUNK at WOT. I have no idea what is wrong with it, but he will either be refunding my $ on it or I'll be bad mouthing him till day I die."
That gentlemen is a direct quote from his 417" turbo post (look it up).
Rod
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Re: Should you be able to trust your engine builder?
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05/16/12 12:54 AM
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Lets face it... most guys can assemble a engine to specs but we dont run as many combos to get the big HP numbers... the builders have run numerous combos to find the hp.... I'm sure in the begining they didnt make the numbers but with time and combos it came around...thats way we go to the pros... I took the word of a cam guy and it ended up wrong but that was part my fault but I'm thinking about changing it..... this is JMO 
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Loose rod nuts are NEVER a good thing! 
Even worse than inferior quality rod nuts! 
