Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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My dad started working Dodge dealership in '61. He ordered and raced 2 '63 Max Wedge cars (they were delivered to his dealership. He became very good friends with Ronnie Householder (he was the head of all of Dodge racing) and was able to order a '64 Hemi/auto. alum. front end package car, and had to pick it up at their "special" location near the factory. I asked him numerous questions about it all the time, and to this day that is my very favorite Dodge of all time. He told me there was 32 Alum/Hemi Dodges built in '64. (thats what he knew of) His had one headlight/side and the Hemi (flat) hood scoop. I'm sure it could be discussed all year long about what all these cars came with, because sometimes they would throw on whatever was laying around the race department just to get the car out the door!! My dad recalls Chargers with Plymouth hubcaps,horn buttons - all kinds of goofy stuff in the dealership, so one can only imagine how the race stuff came out! I have a couple pics of the car, but dont know how to post them. Could someone e-mail me so I can send them pics to post? Thanks guys!! Keep on talking about these cars, as I love to see and hear about them!! Wally.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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anyone got pictures of dorothy davis' wild wild west 64 dodge hemi car. she sure could drive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WICf2lloj0&feature=related
That is cool footage, I wish there were more vintage movies like that being posted. By the way the blue and white 63 wagon she races at the end is called WAR AXE and was Ron Mandella's old max wedge car that won the 64 summer nationals in A/Stock.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Don't know how prochargeds photo from the 70's proves anything(show me that car new in the 60's-very cool car by the way). But here's a neat photo found somewhere on the net. Maybe we can have Jim Schild and Galen verify what motor is in this car.
very cool pic. i believe that may be the 2% car mike guffy now owns? if in fact it is my fathers car was built the same day as mikes dodge was
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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another big thing that is looked over or forgotten very often is that not ALL 64 HEMI cars had aluminum noses or doors. that video of marvins car, if i remember correctly was an all steel car (except maybe the scoop)
Yes his car is all steel. I believe its the only one known?? My father always questioned that car being real.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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This was at the Hemi Reunion, after Bob Fredrick owned it the story goes that Benny Bertock found it in a barn with no glass and no motor. He bought the car for $900.00. He raced it at Quaker City for years under the Buckeye Brawler name. He quit racing it in the mid 80's after deciding that it was too valuable to have anything happen to it, he then ended up selling it a few years after that. I grew up in the same town as Bertock's and they had a barn full of Hemi cars. Dad bought his 65 Coronet off of them. I never knew who bought it until we were at the Reunion.
The car was raced as the Hustlin' Hemi by Bertok. I have a picture of when Snyder bought it somewhere at home. It was blue/silver with a red interior.
The Buckeye Brawler was a red/black '65 Plymouth hardtop.
Ben Bertok also bought Carlon Hine's original Chargin' Hemi. That car was destroyed in a freak accident at Quaker when Ben was staging the car, The guy behind him started doing a burnout and the car let go running into the Charger.
The Buckeye Brawler still is red and black and is sitting in my older brother's trailer. We had found out a couple of years ago a lot of the cars history from one of the past owners, Jack Aekin (spelling?) He actually painted the car red and named it the Buckeye Brawler in the winter of 75-6. The black was later added. The car before that was Bullet Bob Reed's Locomotion. Not an original hemi car, but it had been converted in the late 60's to a hemi 4 speed and held some kind of ahra record (I think that is the right sanctioning body).
My brother was told that the guy who wrecked into Ben's Chargin hemi actually bought the Buckeye Brawler and gave it to Ben. He was also told that he (Ben)didn't like the car and it didn't work as well as his old car and was never really pleased with it. Any one know how to get ahold of Ben Bertok? Maybe my brother or I could verify this. We have kind of enjoyed hearing all the tails of this car. Thanks, John
Yes, you are right... I remember Ben Sr. telling us that they guy who wrecked into Benny bought him the Brawler. And yes, I remember Benny saying that he didn't care for the car.
Your story is correct. The charger was hit on the starting line at Quaker in the early 80's. I know the story well, it was a friend of mine that owned the car that hit him. He bought that Brawler car and gave to the guy and bought the charger from the guy. Then he and my dad spliced the charger back together and sold it. Last time I saw it, it had a shiney new coat of black lacquer and if I recall, a sb in it, sittin in our drive. Oh, and the part of the story that nobody mentioned.....the car that hit the charger was originally Dave Koffel's 65 AWB. Afterwards, it sat under a tarp in his back yard for some years until he scrap-ed it!
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Not to steal your thread, but I had a friend in Painesville, Ohio, named Ron Tarczy who passed away in 1992. A few years (maybe less) before he died, he sold his A990 65 Belvedere (minus motor). It was white and red, and had a funny car cage in it. Does anyone know where this car is today?
The car your asking about was not Dick Halls 65, was it? If anyone knew this Tarczy fellow, I have a couple questions about another car he may have owned. Thanks, sorry if I'm off topic....
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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So if the 2% cars were shipped as Max Wedge cars did they have the aluminum doors like the A864 cars or just the aluminum front end like a Max Wedge?
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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The picture of the 64 Ramcharger Dodge clearly has the 2% wheelbase modifications but it has a wing glass, A864 grille mods and a Max Wedge scoop. I am not trying to stir the pot here. Just trying to provoke a discussion that will possibly shed some light on the evolution of these cars.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Who knows about the Ramchargers car?? I know about the Strickler car because I know those involved. Maybe the aluminum doors weren't available yet or the rules at this race required steel doors??? Mike Guffey would know. He posts over at the HAMB if you want to contact him. I'm sure all four teams who got these cars could and would get the latest and best parts available. I also know the current owner of the Melrose Missle 2% car. He assures me this car was also originally a max wedge car.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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The picture of the 64 Ramcharger Dodge clearly has the 2% wheelbase modifications but it has a wing glass, A864 grille mods and a Max Wedge scoop. I am not trying to stir the pot here. Just trying to provoke a discussion that will possibly shed some light on the evolution of these cars.
I will get interesting,especially when it its noticed that many 63s had 64 front clips and many 64s had 65 front clips.And the "beat goes on" I recently found an old article on my 64/65 AFX(Soul Shaker/Godfather)That was so full of BS.Fact be told Bob Morrision and myself(First owners and builders)can't seperate fact from fiction.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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So if the 2% cars were shipped aMax Wedge cars did they have the aluminum doors like the A864 cars or just the aluminum front end like a Max Wedge?
The AFX or 2% cars had aluminum doors along with the front ends. Bill Stiles has told me the Strickler car was raced s with the max wedge very early on before being swapped over to Hemi. The way you can tell the aluminum doors on the AFX cars was no wing vent windows. The aluminum doors ended up on the Strickler SS Hemi car when the AFX car was sold to George Whalen. The car became the Rebel with steel doors....
I am doing the resto on a A864, the "NICE GUYS" car. It has the original paint aluminum doors with stock glass vent windows, plexi roll-up windows, regulators and brackets made from thinner gauge steel and the normally cast window mounting channel is stamped from light gauge aluminum. This car wes a great reference source as it was never tubbed or caged, it was original paint from the doors back and has been in storage with one family since 1969. Mike
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Just going from the picture, looks like a 64 GTO parked at the fence so we know it was not early in model year. One of the fellows has a jacket on but several don't and its in Detroit. So what month would you guess April or May 1964? The car was running in the A/FX class as it is marked on the window, so I would think anything goes. It is the Ramcharger car so being they are Factory connected. You would think they would have the best parts available. Anyone else see anything that helps?
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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