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Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! #1224046
04/29/12 10:15 AM
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Fellas -

Yanked the 390 and T10 4 sp out of my 69 AMX yesterday. Engine was running but I never drove it. Not sure how long it sat immobile prior to me puchasing it, but it could have been a decade or more.

Got the engine and trans out together. Removed all bolts (yes, I got them all). Nothing coming loose. First I tried to pull the trans out. Used pry bars, etc, and it wouldn't come. I can rotate the trans, but I can't pull it more than 1/4" off the bellhousing. It's stuck.

Then I unbolted the bellhousing and tried to pry that off. Same deal - no luck. At the top and the driver's side of the bell, I'm able to get it about 1/2" off the block, but that's it. I am able to get the bellhousing off the block dowels, but not much more.

Since the trans is what appears to be stuck, I'm assuming the input is hung up. Looks like a critter made a nest in the bellhousing; maybe a mouse nest. If so, mouse pee on the input could have made it pretty crusty.

After I gave up trying last night, I hosed everything down with PB Blaster and WD-40. Maybe it will free up now.

If it doesn't, any ideas? If I get much more aggressive with the prybars, I'm going to break the aluminum bellhousing.

Worst case scenario would be to take a cutoff wheel and just cut a big hole in the bellhousing so I can see what's going on and maybe pry something loose.

Thanks,

Scott


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Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: bulletpruf] #1224047
04/29/12 10:30 AM
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Have seen this before.
Get a buddy and, with each of you with a crowbar,
apply equal pressure opposite to each other to pull it STRAIGHT out.

Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: Commando1] #1224048
04/29/12 10:45 AM
04/29/12 10:45 AM
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Put the trans in gear and see if you can rotate the input shaft without rotating the crank. If you can, pull the inspection cover and unbolt the pressure plate.

Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: Commando1] #1224049
04/29/12 10:53 AM
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Quote:

Have seen this before.
Get a buddy and, with each of you with a crowbar,
apply equal pressure opposite to each other to pull it STRAIGHT out.





if it's stuck, prying on it at one point will NOT break it free, all that will do is bind it up and lock it tighter. you'll need to pry equally so it wants to come out squarely.


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Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: 70Cuda383] #1224050
04/29/12 12:50 PM
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Got it.

I was able to move the throwout bearing back and forth a bit, so it wasn't hung up.

I got the clutch fork out and then was able to access the pressure plate bolts with a wiggler extension. Once I got the pressure plate bolts off, the trans and bell came off. Managed to save the bellhousing; don't think it's boogered up at all.

The problem is that the input shaft was rusted to the clutch disk. It's still attached, but I think I can pop the disk back a few inches, clean off the input with a wire brush, and then hopefully slide it off.

Crime scene photos below. I think I may have to resurface the flywheel...

Thanks,

Scott







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Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: bulletpruf] #1224051
04/29/12 01:19 PM
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I definately agree that the flywheel needs to be resurfaced.


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Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: 340SHORTY] #1224052
04/29/12 01:25 PM
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na the flywheel and clutch look mint!


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Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: aspenrt360] #1224053
04/29/12 01:37 PM
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na the flywheel and clutch look mint!




Just clean 'em a little and run it....

Re: Cannot Get Engine & Bellhousing or 4 Speed Separated! [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1224054
04/29/12 01:44 PM
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That'll buff right out...







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