Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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I don't like plastigauge or snap gauges, taking the parts to a machine shop was the right move. On clearances : if the clearances are a little loose, only you will know. If they are too tight, everybody will know!
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
[Re: rlm2268]
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02/21/19 02:33 PM
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You can buy your own stuff and measure it yourself instead of paying somebody. Good, used measuring tools are all over ebay. If that type of precision is beyond you, maybe you should just let someone screw it together. Not bashing, just being practical. Blowing stuff up is expensive.
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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see if you can get a dial bore gauge to check the i.d of the rod bearing. I've never had a warm fuzzy feeling using snap gauges for precision measuring and usually just throw plasti-gauge away. on both subjects I've used gauges and plastiguage, once only on the plastigauge On using a inside mike compared to a snap gauge the individuals feel can be the difference between .0020 and .0023 I've bought three different dial bore gauges( .0010, .00050 and one .00010 accuracy) and finally realized that setting them up is the key to a decent, accurate reading If the gauge is marking a line in the bearing is it removing material or not Does that mark really matter As far as this old post goes, it would be interesting to hear how much clearances the OP ended up with and how those clearance have worked I'm like a lot of the other posters on this subject, a lot looser( 0.0010) is way better than a tiny bit (.00010) to tight
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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You could have the crank polished down a bit, but 0.002" should be fine. I would not do this. Sorry to disagree but polishing it does not guarantee it will still be round when the guy is finished. As a matter of fact, I can almost guarantee it won’t be round. Several years ago, my machine shop sold out to a new guy and he had never run a crank grinder at this shop. He could do everything else very well. So I had to go elsewhere for one crank. That guy made so many mistakes on that crank he ruin it. Over polishing was one of them. It was .0005 out of round plus it had a taper on the end of each journal. Terrible job, it was. I caught it with plastiguage. I hardly ever use it. I found different brands of snap gauges will measure differently. I use Starrets before I got my dial bore guage. The snap gauges measure slightly bigger than a dial bore guage IMO. Maybe .0002. But as said before, it’s mostly in how you mic or feel the mic. After saying that, I think you’ll be fine with that. Now you could do what I do. I have the cranked turned FIRST. Then if I need some more clearance, I size the rods to the correct clearance. This works best for my shop.
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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There is a rule of thumb for clearance... its something like .001 per every inch of diameter Industry standard for 100 years. If you decide to run .002", use a light value for the oil grade first number: 5W, not 20W.
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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Thank's again for everyones imput <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif" alt="" /> FYI i did some seaching while I was deciding what to do and wanted to pass along to you guys needing the cb527HXND .001 X bearings, summit wants like $200.00 for a set and jegs is a little more <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eeek.gif" alt="" /> But Competition Products in Oshkosh Wis. has them for $82.99 on there website <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif" alt="" /> I buy a lot from them, saved almost $400 on my rods vs what Summit and Jegs listed. They also ship fast.
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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Big clearances with light oil. You can't be squeamish about oil pressure if you go down that path. Especially at hot idle. You may as well take that 30# transducer for the light and throw it in the trash. Put a 15# in it and put up with the light flickering at you coming back the return road.
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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Big clearances with light oil. You can't be squeamish about oil pressure if you go down that path. Especially at hot idle. You may as well take that 30# transducer for the light and throw it in the trash. Put a 15# in it and put up with the light flickering at you coming back the return road. I use the old ten lbs. per thousand RPM rule with hot oil, 10 lbs. at 1000 RPM, 65 lbs. at 6500 RPM with 5W20 weight oil
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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No kidding, I'd rather have 6 than 2. .0035 is my norm until it's going over 2,000, then .004 or more.
I've never once seen wide hurt anything, ever. I've seen tight destroy everything.
Even saw a motor that was raced all season on spray with a .010 under crank and standard bearings (.013 clearance) never missed a lick. Made about 1500hp on spray. Idle oil pressure was about 20 cold, and 5 hot. Would climb to about 50 psi on a 7500rpm run. No damage to anything. I agree. Use a good oil pump and run a lot of clearance.
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Re: Is .002" rod bearing clearance to tight ?
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W/r/t using sequential sizes, such as one +.001" and the other +.002" to get the intermediate +.0015" total where desired (Ford factory manuals for the “Indy” 255, “Le Mans” 427, and “Trans Am” Boss 302 recommend this): the larger oversize (looser clearance) is generally the upper rod bearing half, and the lower main bearing half.
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