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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/25/12 09:14 AM
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 Thanx. I haven't been back since. The best that day was a 13.92. 60 ft was a no traction 2.23. I've gone from a 2.76 SG to a 3.23 SG and I need to put some real tires on it. 12.99 is the goal. It weighs 4800.... Yeah I know
Kevin
13.92 with 2.76 @ 4800 sounds like a well-sorted combo!
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/25/12 06:16 PM
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isn't cheap .... like you ....
Im not arguing Im cheap (my Dad was a depression baby and Ive evidently adopted his frugal ways)...Throwing good money away doesnt make sense to me...  I'll spend the $$ when I need to...just cant see spending 3k on an overdrive...
A 200R4 sounds like what I need...
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72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
[Re: Von]
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04/26/12 02:21 AM
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A 200R4 sounds like what I need...
When searching for parts to build your trans, just remember it's a 200-4R, not a 200R4. A common mistake that might make parts searches a lil more tough.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 04:04 PM
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first of all, many thanks to everyone for the info. it's very much appreciated.  trying to update these older Mopar musclecars to make them more highway friendly and reliable is expensive, to say the least. it's probably one of the many reasons Mopars are only a small fraction of the overall musclecar scene as a whole. i got a quote from Keisler to do the complete package with their setup.as i said in the beginning, i won't cut up the car and it absolutely will NOT get a gearvendors.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 04:16 PM
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I have a 518 waiting to go in the Imperial. It's dirty cheap and I'll make sure it fits properly.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 04:34 PM
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first of all, many thanks to everyone for the info. it's very much appreciated.
trying to update these older Mopar musclecars to make them more highway friendly and reliable is expensive, to say the least. it's probably one of the many reasons Mopars are only a small fraction of the overall musclecar scene as a whole.
i got a quote from Keisler to do the complete package with their setup. maybe some day i can plant a money tree that kicks out the 6 K+ they want for their kit. until then, i'm hopeing to find a more affordable choice. i'll keep exploring the options.
as i said in the beginning, i won't cut up the car and it absolutely will NOT get a gearvendors.
what is it that makes you so against the gear vendors? i know a few guys using it and they love it. drive a lot of miles a year and have never had an issue with it. looks like your kinda stuck. wont go GV, don't want to spend money and you don't want to cut. not sure what other options are out there that don't include one of those. can just put a 2.76 or 2.45 gear in it and be done i guess.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
[Re: cogen80]
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04/26/12 05:25 PM
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first of all, many thanks to everyone for the info. it's very much appreciated.
trying to update these older Mopar musclecars to make them more highway friendly and reliable is expensive, to say the least. it's probably one of the many reasons Mopars are only a small fraction of the overall musclecar scene as a whole.
i got a quote from Keisler to do the complete package with their setup. maybe some day i can plant a money tree that kicks out the 6 K+ they want for their kit. until then, i'm hopeing to find a more affordable choice. i'll keep exploring the options.
as i said in the beginning, i won't cut up the car and it absolutely will NOT get a gearvendors.
what is it that makes you so against the gear vendors? i know a few guys using it and they love it. drive a lot of miles a year and have never had an issue with it. looks like your kinda stuck. wont go GV, don't want to spend money and you don't want to cut. not sure what other options are out there that don't include one of those. can just put a 2.76 or 2.45 gear in it and be done i guess.
first off, where did i say i didn't want to spend money? i don't care to spend 6K though for something that in a GM or Ford would be 2500.00 bucks. as far as the gearvendors, i already own one in another car. when i needed help with troubleshooting some issues with it the customer service was non-existent. i don't care what anybody else's experience with them is, but for me they offered no help at all.
on the gear set, don't be rediculous, it's not going to get a 2.76 or 2.45 gear if anything it'll go the other way from what's in it now.
would you cut up a numbers matching car to put an oversized overdrive trans in? i won't do it, no way, no how. a bolt in deal that can be reversed if need be later on is what i'm looking for. if it doesn't exist for reasonable money, so be it.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 05:25 PM
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 06:06 PM
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first of all, many thanks to everyone for the info. it's very much appreciated.
trying to update these older Mopar musclecars to make them more highway friendly and reliable is expensive, to say the least. it's probably one of the many reasons Mopars are only a small fraction of the overall musclecar scene as a whole.
i got a quote from Keisler to do the complete package with their setup. maybe some day i can plant a money tree that kicks out the 6 K+ they want for their kit. until then, i'm hopeing to find a more affordable choice. i'll keep exploring the options.
as i said in the beginning, i won't cut up the car and it absolutely will NOT get a gearvendors.
what is it that makes you so against the gear vendors? i know a few guys using it and they love it. drive a lot of miles a year and have never had an issue with it. looks like your kinda stuck. wont go GV, don't want to spend money and you don't want to cut. not sure what other options are out there that don't include one of those. can just put a 2.76 or 2.45 gear in it and be done i guess.
first off, where did i say i didn't want to spend money? i don't care to spend 6K though for something that in a GM or Ford would be 2500.00 bucks. as far as the gearvendors, i already own one in another car. when i needed help with troubleshooting some issues with it the customer service was non-existent. i don't care what anybody else's experience with them is, but for me they offered no help at all.
on the gear set, don't be rediculous, it's not going to get a 2.76 or 2.45 gear if anything it'll go the other way from what's in it now.
would you cut up a numbers matching car to put an oversized overdrive trans in? i won't do it, no way, no how. a bolt in deal that can be reversed if need be later on is what i'm looking for. if it doesn't exist for reasonable money, so be it.
While I am not disputing you, frankly I am surprised. I have been installing GV units for a long time. I have never had a customer service issue, ever. Aside from the fact that they work great and are very reliable, I always found them to be easy to deal with. They always call back promptly and are very friendly and knowledgeable. That sucks, though. All it takes is one sour experience to spoil the relationship...
Good Luck with your project,
MB
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
[Re: HPMike]
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04/26/12 07:02 PM
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first of all, many thanks to everyone for the info. it's very much appreciated.
trying to update these older Mopar musclecars to make them more highway friendly and reliable is expensive, to say the least. it's probably one of the many reasons Mopars are only a small fraction of the overall musclecar scene as a whole.
i got a quote from Keisler to do the complete package with their setup. maybe some day i can plant a money tree that kicks out the 6 K+ they want for their kit. until then, i'm hopeing to find a more affordable choice. i'll keep exploring the options.
as i said in the beginning, i won't cut up the car and it absolutely will NOT get a gearvendors.
what is it that makes you so against the gear vendors? i know a few guys using it and they love it. drive a lot of miles a year and have never had an issue with it. looks like your kinda stuck. wont go GV, don't want to spend money and you don't want to cut. not sure what other options are out there that don't include one of those. can just put a 2.76 or 2.45 gear in it and be done i guess.
first off, where did i say i didn't want to spend money? i don't care to spend 6K though for something that in a GM or Ford would be 2500.00 bucks. as far as the gearvendors, i already own one in another car. when i needed help with troubleshooting some issues with it the customer service was non-existent. i don't care what anybody else's experience with them is, but for me they offered no help at all.
on the gear set, don't be rediculous, it's not going to get a 2.76 or 2.45 gear if anything it'll go the other way from what's in it now.
would you cut up a numbers matching car to put an oversized overdrive trans in? i won't do it, no way, no how. a bolt in deal that can be reversed if need be later on is what i'm looking for. if it doesn't exist for reasonable money, so be it.
While I am not disputing you, frankly I am surprised. I have been installing GV units for a long time. I have never had a customer service issue, ever. Aside from the They always call back promptly and are very friendly and knowledgeable. That sucks, though. All it takes is one sour experience to spoil the relationship...
Good Luck with your project,
MB
i would've bought another GV had it not been for the bad attitude of their rep. it was worse than talking to Russ at Indy.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 07:05 PM
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i would've bought another GV had it not been for the bad attitude of their rep. it was worse than talking to Russ at Indy.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/26/12 07:56 PM
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on the gear set, don't be rediculous, it's not going to get a 2.76 or 2.45 gear
you can get a set of 2.76s for what, $100? and the beauty of the 8.75 is easy gear changes. try it for a while. i have 2.76s in my imperial until i ever get around to installing a 518 and they are great for freeway flying, and with a torquey 493" the car is still pretty quick. a lightweight e-body would only be better.
or just cut your floor...
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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04/27/12 02:55 AM
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When searching for parts to build your trans, just remember it's a 200-4R, not a 200R4. A common mistake that might make parts searches a lil more tough.
Thanx for the clarification!!!
Off topic, Im guessing the 200-4R uses a lock up vert? Will it be a problem to have a 4k-5k flash vert with the 200?
I see the GM guys using similar flash speeds (lockup verts) in 700R4s.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
[Re: Von]
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05/01/12 06:17 PM
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200-4R came with Lock-Up torque converters.
There are different schools of thought about what to use with the beefed up versions of the tranny.
Art Carr (CPT) is an old school guy, and believes in non-lockup. I am not ragging on him, I have one of his 500HP 200-4R and non lockup 10" converters that I bought used to put in my A-100 van.
But I think that for highway cruising lockup might be better, and there are quite a few builders that like to use lockup, and sell beefy lockup converters.
Ran
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Finally - disc brakes on the front.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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05/02/12 12:58 AM
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I had a converter made with an extra low stall. It comes in handy when the diesel's torque is all in by 1900 rpm and the converter flashes closer to the 2400 rpm red line.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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Someone told me the 518 is a direct swap for a 727 with no mods to the body needed.
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Re: School me on overdrive transmissions for a RB
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05/04/12 07:46 PM
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Someone told me the 518 is a direct swap for a 727 with no mods to the body needed.
Had someone come up to me and tell me about the 65 dodge pickup with the factory 440 hemi he bought new.
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